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Skybird · 05-08-06, 05:32 PM

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1045 (the original holds some links in the text that are not visible in this quoted text below)

Dutch Worry About Radical Muslims in the Military
From the desk of Paul Belien on Tue, 2006-05-02 12:05

The Dutch secret services AIVD (state intelligence) and MIVD (military intelligence) are investigating an unknown number of Muslims within the Dutch army. Last Saturday, the Dutch newspaper Het Parool reported that a growing number of Dutch soldiers sympathizes with radical Islamists. The paper refers to the annual report of the MIVD, which states that it conducted a number of investigations into “alleged radicalisation of military personnel” as “there are signs that indicate a possible radicalisation of Muslim individuals or groups within the armed forces.”

During the past years the Dutch army, in order to contradict allegations of discrimination, has applied a policy of preferential recruitment among immigrant youths. The MIVD warns, however, that youths between 17 and 25 are more easily influenced by radical Islam, while the experience of Dutch troops in Afghanistan and Iraq can also lead to an enhanced radicalisation.

At least ten to twenty groups of Muslim terrorists are said to be active in the Netherlands, planning assassinations of politicians and the bombing of the AIVD headquarters.

General Bert Dedden, the retiring MIVD chief, said today in the newspaper De Stem that the Ministry of Defense has started procedures to oust a radical Islamist from the army. According to Dedden about ten Dutch soldiers are known to adhere to Salafism, Wahabism or other forms of extremist Islam. These people can be a danger to Dutch national security, the general explained, because they can persuade others to become disloyal to the army or because they have access to protected buildings or grounds. “We try to prevent the disappearance of sensitive information, weapons or other material,” General Dedden said.

Other European countries also have growing numbers of Muslims soldiers. Last March three conscripts of the Austrian army refused to salute the Austrian flag because they said this was incompatible with their Islamic religion. It is said that one of the reasons why the French authorities did not employ the army during the November 2005 riots, despite calls to do so, was because 15% of the French armed forces are made up of Muslims. Last month a Swiss website reported that some are concerned about the rising number of Muslim soldiers in the Swiss army. The number of Muslim citizens in Switzerland has grown from 16,000 to 310,000 during the past four decades.

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March 20, 2006
In Austria Moslem conscripts don’t Salute the Flag, do their Job
Filed under: Politics (EU), Translation, Islamo-Fascists
This story from March 18th in “Die Presse” of Austria states in summary that 3 Moslem members of the Marie Therese garrison demonstratively refused to salute the flag at a parade. They instead turned their backs on the flag, standing at attention. They stated that saluting the Austrian flag was not compatible with their faith.

Austrian Army officers have complained that Moslem soldiers are incompetent, making them skilled to do only the most rudimentary jobs. If they get a certificate from the Austrian Moslem Faith Community stating that they are observant Moslems, they are allowed to pray 5 times a day, no matter the job they are performing at the time. Some who go for Friday’s Prayers stay away the rest of the day. The only punishment they receive for this is more frequent watches during the weekend. Some of the Moslem soldiers eat pork, drink alcohol and some even do drugs, raising suspicions among officers that the certificate is used mainly for shirking their duties and that the certificates are too easy to get.

At the Maria Theresa garrison where most Austrian Moslems serve, Moslems have their own prayer room, a shorter term of service and there many of the problems of the Austrian Army with Moslem conscripts first appear.

The 3 Moslem conscripts who refused to salute the flag were not disciplined, instead an Imam was summoned who issued a fatwa saying that it is allowed for Moslems to salute the Austrian flag. In response to the criticisms of Moslems in the army he says that there will alway be a few black sheep, but that their certificates are withdrawn if they are outed.

The Austrian defense minister, in response to this, has decided that the Austrian army from now on will have Field-Chaplins of the Moslem faith to mediate future conflicts. 3.5% of the Austrian armed forces are Moslems, putting the total somewhere around 1.000 Moslems.

The FPÖ’s spokesman, General Secretary Harald Vilimsky says that “There are signs in the garrisons of an integration that has not taken place.”

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,696 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	A growing handicap: Muslims serving in Western armies http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1045 (the original holds some links in the text that are not visible in this quoted text below) Dutch Worry About Radical Muslims in the Military From the desk of Paul Belien on Tue, 2006-05-02 12:05 The Dutch secret services AIVD (state intelligence) and MIVD (military intelligence) are investigating an unknown number of Muslims within the Dutch army. Last Saturday, the Dutch newspaper Het Parool reported that a growing number of Dutch soldiers sympathizes with radical Islamists. The paper refers to the annual report of the MIVD, which states that it conducted a number of investigations into “alleged radicalisation of military personnel” as “there are signs that indicate a possible radicalisation of Muslim individuals or groups within the armed forces.” During the past years the Dutch army, in order to contradict allegations of discrimination, has applied a policy of preferential recruitment among immigrant youths. The MIVD warns, however, that youths between 17 and 25 are more easily influenced by radical Islam, while the experience of Dutch troops in Afghanistan and Iraq can also lead to an enhanced radicalisation. At least ten to twenty groups of Muslim terrorists are said to be active in the Netherlands, planning assassinations of politicians and the bombing of the AIVD headquarters. General Bert Dedden, the retiring MIVD chief, said today in the newspaper De Stem that the Ministry of Defense has started procedures to oust a radical Islamist from the army. According to Dedden about ten Dutch soldiers are known to adhere to Salafism, Wahabism or other forms of extremist Islam. These people can be a danger to Dutch national security, the general explained, because they can persuade others to become disloyal to the army or because they have access to protected buildings or grounds. “We try to prevent the disappearance of sensitive information, weapons or other material,” General Dedden said. Other European countries also have growing numbers of Muslims soldiers. Last March three conscripts of the Austrian army refused to salute the Austrian flag because they said this was incompatible with their Islamic religion. It is said that one of the reasons why the French authorities did not employ the army during the November 2005 riots, despite calls to do so, was because 15% of the French armed forces are made up of Muslims. Last month a Swiss website reported that some are concerned about the rising number of Muslim soldiers in the Swiss army. The number of Muslim citizens in Switzerland has grown from 16,000 to 310,000 during the past four decades. http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/20...g-do-their-job March 20, 2006 In Austria Moslem conscripts don’t Salute the Flag, do their Job Filed under: Politics (EU), Translation, Islamo-Fascists This story from March 18th in “Die Presse” of Austria states in summary that 3 Moslem members of the Marie Therese garrison demonstratively refused to salute the flag at a parade. They instead turned their backs on the flag, standing at attention. They stated that saluting the Austrian flag was not compatible with their faith. Austrian Army officers have complained that Moslem soldiers are incompetent, making them skilled to do only the most rudimentary jobs. If they get a certificate from the Austrian Moslem Faith Community stating that they are observant Moslems, they are allowed to pray 5 times a day, no matter the job they are performing at the time. Some who go for Friday’s Prayers stay away the rest of the day. The only punishment they receive for this is more frequent watches during the weekend. Some of the Moslem soldiers eat pork, drink alcohol and some even do drugs, raising suspicions among officers that the certificate is used mainly for shirking their duties and that the certificates are too easy to get. At the Maria Theresa garrison where most Austrian Moslems serve, Moslems have their own prayer room, a shorter term of service and there many of the problems of the Austrian Army with Moslem conscripts first appear. The 3 Moslem conscripts who refused to salute the flag were not disciplined, instead an Imam was summoned who issued a fatwa saying that it is allowed for Moslems to salute the Austrian flag. In response to the criticisms of Moslems in the army he says that there will alway be a few black sheep, but that their certificates are withdrawn if they are outed. The Austrian defense minister, in response to this, has decided that the Austrian army from now on will have Field-Chaplins of the Moslem faith to mediate future conflicts. 3.5% of the Austrian armed forces are Moslems, putting the total somewhere around 1.000 Moslems. The FPÖ’s spokesman, General Secretary Harald Vilimsky says that “There are signs in the garrisons of an integration that has not taken place.” ----- __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.