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Just some thoughts.
There is enough space and even enough money for dealing with migrants in Germany. So saying that "they" take away "our" jobs, money, living space (Lebensraum beware!) or germans having to abstain from any luxury because of (any) foreigners, is not true. No one has to suffer here because of "them". Yet. Speculators are making big money here with building homes for refugees, a certain kind of war profiteers if you so want.
No families are being forced to accomodate foreigners here. It is even the other way round, if you offer an apartment for refugees, you have to read and sign masses of paper, explain at length why you'd want to do that, and the place has to fulfill certain standards like two toilets, fire protection requirements and all that (something that is not self evident in private homes). This process may take years(!), it is completely voluntarily, and most refugees are therefore stuffed into former military barracks. Packed together, unsure of the future, under often bad sanitary conditions, with growing frustration, this can of course become a breeding ground for radicalisation.
Terrorist attacks and molesting women, yes, happens, and there is no excuse. Although the number is small compared to good native germans also doing that. Terrorism has been on an entirely higher level in the 1970ies and 80ies here though, with the german RAF ("Rote Armee Fraktion"). Also those who assasssinate or take hostages are not the majority, as usual a few idiots give them all a bad name. I dare to say that terrorists who want to attack Germany or the "West" generally, would do that anyway, and find their way over the borders with or without control.
One more thing: As soon as someone speaks about "them" raping "our" women, killing children, terrorizing or stealing our "Kultur", they are on a direct propaganda path to war.
While i do not agree with Mrs Merkel in a lot of points, i think accepting the refugees and not closing the borders was a well-meant humanitarian reaction. A greater part of the population has also welcomed them, and helped (and still helps) them to accomodate and get necessary papers, german language courses, and getting their feet on the ground again. Most are not "economical refugees" but fled for dear life; you really have to listen to what they fled from to get a glimpse of what they lived through.
There will be always people who stage riots out of xenophobia or just being against "the system". And of course there are a lot of hating Neonazis here who thrive from every awful incident that can be connected to foreigners, to claim justification and reason for their (self)rightous cause, and action. Like the terrorists, they are not the majority.
You also have to see that it is not all "migration". While some are being accepted and integrated, a lot of the refugees want to, and will go back, when the war in Syriah is over, and the situation has calmed down.
It is obvious that some nations like what happens here, to have another reason or justification to reject refugees. Trump should have mentioned Germany instead of Sweden, much more going on here. But just of all those who caused the mess in the middle east now turn their backs, close the borders, and accuse others trying to help refugees? Despite what you may see in the media, there is almost no influence to normal life and citizens here. Even less in Sweden. Yes i know, tell this to the victims. I do not say it is an easy situation.
And no, Trump is of course no dictator. It may sound strange just of all coming from me, but i'd still say give him time. You know the media here are of course as biased as they are anywhere, you never heard about Obama blocking out Fox News back then for similar reasons, in the german media.
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Last edited by Catfish; 02-27-17 at 06:26 AM.
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