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Originally Posted by ikalugin
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The sad truth is that western liberal democracy doesn't work for those people, nor was the rebel movement ever viable, I mean you have case studies of Lybia (rebels won, civil war never ended), Iraq and Afghanistan (government changed under western ocupation force, islamists remained). So US supporting the muslim spring was, in my opinion, stupid and did more harm than good.
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I disagree. If the movements had been successfull, and it first looked like it, it would have been an advantage not only for the people there, but also for the world. And if you look closely there was no support at all from western nations. Nor from Russia i might say. Evacuating citizens with military is no support of a country.
But the the arabian spring was not about democracy, it was against illegitimate (as arabians see it) governments.
It all boils down to the partitioning of the Middle East by western nations:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...e-history.html
and the following exploitation, and power plays.
I do not think that Obama was so wrong in holding out a hand and trying to get into negotiations. It could not be expected from all those countries to just smile, say ok and forgive the Sykes-Picot treaty, but it was a geste that could have worked.
The usual broadsides from the right wing did not help either. "How can a nation leader be reasonable and even apologize for arbitrary border dissection, exploitation, war and torture! What a whimp!"
But while there was at least
some discussion about that in the US, i have not heard
believable discussions by russian politicians. Errm i mean the perfect democrat Putin
It is all about national interests.
I do not have anything against you personally, but RT is even worse than Fox news. National propaganda and a lot of bovine scatology.