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Old 01-09-17, 11:01 AM   #5793
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Sturgeon has now ruled out a vote during 2017:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38560646

Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson calls for single market access:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-38553851

Moving on, sometimes the contributer's on Reddit come out with something cogent:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/..._the/?sort=new

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[–]ShooblyGoobly 1 point 6 hours ago
The union will last for at least another decade but considerable constitutional reform is required if it wants a future beyond that.
England is just too powerful. It's so big it gets anything it wants at the end of the day. If Scotland gets anything it wants it's either a coincidence that it's also to the benefit of England or, simply, a gift. To quote a Scot-Nat my friend on the matter:
"In the UK, Scotland sometimes gets what it voted for. If it were independent it'd always get what it voted for"
You can't really argue with that logic. It's actually pretty sound. At best Scotland can tip the balance in favour of one direction or another but that's simply saying "England is pretty much 50-50 on this so, Scotland, you can decide how it goes".
You mention Brexit and I see Scottish independence and Brexit being quite similar in some regards. If you claim to have voted to leave for constitutional reasons then you hated the idea that a larger country/group of countries could tell England what to do. In the EU parliament England is a minority. It can't always get its own way. It's a democratic system but it's not one England recognises as its interests can be shoved aside to please a larger group of people. It's damned annoying and that inevitable leads to the idea that if it left the union could get everything that it wants. Ironically these same people that voted leave also seem to be the ones most adamant that Scotland stay in the UK, that England is good for Scotland even if Scotland doesn't always get everything it voted for.
Very true - Brexiter's and SNP supporters have a lot in common. Sometimes they're actually one and the same.

Mike.
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