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Old 01-06-17, 05:10 PM   #2470
ikalugin
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Originally Posted by Skybird View Post
Nuclear-capable Tochka-U platforms: 2001, maybe even earlier. Nuclear warheads for it popped up regularly, too.
Iskander: 2011 at the latest, probably earlier.
Updated Iskander-M: summer and auztumn 2016.
Other sources mention the year 2013 as key date when Iskander got moved in. Russia massively tries to hide and disguise what it moves in and out, and when, and where.
Voronezh (location) long range special radar: fully operational since 2014.
S400, accompanied by Pantsir-S: info widely varies. Probably during 2016, probabaly not earlier than late 2015, some even say not yet fielded but in the process of beeing fielded in Kaliningrad right now. Depends on sources. The naval units of the Baltic fleet got the system already 2012. And for the Baltic fleet - Kaliningrad is vital.
S300PS: 2011.
Whats your point? If there is any.
And for people maybe not being fully aware of the geography:

(deleted the immage and the spaces between paragraphs for compactness)

My point is that Kaliningrad (and the relevant operational-strategic axis) has the lower priority that other areas and regions. But lets break up your post.

First things first - Tochka (and and it's variants Tochka-U, Tochka-R), S300PS are Soviet systems (late 70s and mid 80s), which remained in Kaliningrad area since Soviet times. If Kaliningrad area specifically or North-West operational-strategic axis in general had the priority then those systems would be long replaced by much more modern ones by now.

Secondly, the brigade, stationed in Kaliningrad does not operate Iskander-M as it was not yet rearmed with it (unlike atleast 10 other known brigades, which transitioned from Tochka-Us to Iskander-M). This is so due to the Russia avoiding a real offensive military build up in that operational-strategic axis.
There even isn't a rotationary arrangement (like the NATO ones) with the Iskander-M systems to be permanenly deployed to Kaliningrad, with systems being moved there only during the periods of increased tensions (and leaving the region when those tensions dissapate).

Thirdly, regarding S-400, so you lack data, that is fine. If you want to discuss Baltic Fleet you should compare and contrast the programs for the Baltic Fleet with those, for example for the Black Sea Fleet and the general strengths of those two fleets.

Regarding Voronezh - it is an early warning radar, used for ballistic missile attack warning. The radar that used to cover this vital approach in Soviet times was built in the area that is now under control of the Baltic states and thus is no longer operational.
Thus adding it to your list shows that you have no idea about what it actually does or why it's presense in there is important for European security. (hint European existential security is based around the strategic nuclear stability which this specific radar greatly improves by reducing the vulnerability of Russian deterent to a NATO first strike with ICBMs and SLBMs)
I mean if we are going into nuclear-strategic dimension here then the US made radar in Quatar is by far more destabilising, as it can be used for forward based ABM systems.
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