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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike
Grrrr the Diesel boat doesn’t have to be a costal defense weapon.  The one legacy I kinda wish John Holland didn't leave the US Navy.  Open ocean diesels have been around a long time. How soon we forget the Fleet Type Boats and GUPPEs, The Porpoise, Oberons and Upholders/Victorias, the Zulus, Foxtrots and Tangos. 
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Yes, even in the book "cold war submarines" an example is made of how an old fashion diesel submarine can pose a very serious threat to a stationary (or near stationary) surface fleet.
They were discussing the falkland war and how an argentine submarine just stayed in the zone of operations of the british fleet. The sub fired several torpedos at targets but didn't sink any of them (because of a failure of the torpedo) while the british had one hell of a time trying to sink the argentine sub and in the end they had to give up.
Seems the us strategists didn't learn this modern lesson of asw.