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Originally Posted by Oberon
I think you expect Islam to do in a few weeks what it took Christianity a few hundred years and God alone knows how many wars to do.
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I am free of the illusion to expect Islam doing something to change itself. It won't, and it excels in that. Because as far as Western territories are concerned, thanks to endless Western relativisation and reality denying,
it does not have to change. Since over two generations huge numbers, and ever growing numbers, of Muslim colonists are present in Europe. And things grew worse and worse and worse and worse with them. Other migrants groups usually do not give us troubles. Only these. Whereever you look, the integration of Muslim influx-communities has failed. In Britain. In France. In Netherlands. In Germany. In Sweden. Everywhere. And that has something to do with Islamic self-understanding, and oriental patriarchalism.
The question is not how much time we should give Islam. The question is how little time we have left to remain who we are and what we are. Altready now we are no longer the full owners of our house anymore. Already now we accept compromsies that we shouldn't, not at all.
Foreigner comes to us - he follows our rules, our laws, and respects our values. What time is needed to understand that, eh? If you are guest in somebody elses house, you do not just go to the refrigerator and take and eat what you want - you ask, and you say "please". You do not demand, and you do not command, and you do not claim property rights.
As long as you do not think that it is your house.
You break a law? Needs none of your usual rhetoric strikes, Oberon, killerrobots and other pointless exaggerations: you break the law, you bear the consequences, like any other citizen must and should. If foreigners have a problem with that, they have to leave. What is so difficult in that? Its the most reasonable thing one could think. If that means trouble for them, then that may serve as an example for others to better respect our right to set the rules, and their need to integrate. They cam eto us, we did not come to them. If somebody comes here and misb ehaves or refuses to integrate, I send him bakc, and if he gets greeted in his real home by torture ore persuction or whatver, I do not care, I simply refuse to care -
he should have thought about that before abusing the hospitality of mine.
I don't care. These people do not interest me one bit. They could drop dead right now, right in place
- I don't care. I'm sick of being expected and demanded to always care for them. They are not mine, their demands and wishes must not be my command and not my responsibility, I do not belong to them, I am not their servant.
Its one and a half millenia that Muhammad haunted planet Earth. And since then, Islamic world got its head stuck in the azz of history, 15 centuries deep. No, the chiurches did not hold out their tyranny that long, and did not resist to the "onslaught" of reason and liberalism and humanism. It does not cpomoare, althogznb this copmarison always is tried again and again in an attenpt to relatise and make the West feel guilty and responsible for Islamic world'S ways and goings. Was Napoleon'S expeditionary corps in Egypt responsible for the primitive, impotent world they found and that had wasted the past many centuries before in stagnation all due to Islamic dogma that had brought all former Arab superiority in invention and knowledge to a grindign halt? Hardly. Blame that on Muhammad - and on him alone.
More time you want to give it for reform. Good luck with that. Beg your children (or children to be) for pardon. I rather expect a cactus starting to speak, than seeing Islam stopping to be Islam. Ands that is what "reformation" would need to be about.