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Originally Posted by Wamiduku
so once again I dismiss him referring to Hitchen's Razor: What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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I knew I missed one...
So to use Occam's razor on Hitchens' razor: if no one supports your claim - your idea - the claim is wrong.
Could be the motto of the Spanish Inquisition. Priests caring for conformity.
Find some priest who is willing to speak in your favour.
Simply tell the priest's claims and you shall have no problem.
The priest doesn't have to act accordingly - he enjoys the power to claim by himself - because it is the word of God.
Politicians can do so too. You entitle them to claim whatever they seem fit.
God explains priests and politicians his desire - and they claim it in his or in your name.
Do you see the problem here? You can't explain anyone your desire.
You can just vote for the politician who shall tell you Gods desire and you may be free to chose your priest.
Occam: If your desire is not supported officially - it is wrong.
Damn - I have no link to support this idea.
But as usual I try it with common sense, some healthy distrust and some common knowledge/research.
Who's Hitchen? A journalist, a media priest? What does he try to explain? Does he try to fool me - by doing his job?
He claimed in 2003 - a time we had started to exchange our own ideas.
Hitchens' razor is the contradiction to sapere aude.
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Edit: Hitchens' razor is “widely attributed to him”. I may do his person wrong here.
Someone might have slipped him the quote, to hide the true source, while increasing the effect of the statement, profiting from Hitchens' respected reputation. Abusing Hitchens, to support the own agenda. The people shall respect only the claims from media priests, respect quotable, given and accepted concepts.
Thou shalt have no other God before me.
Edit2: This is his true quote: Forgotten were the elementary rules of logic, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...e_dearest.html
What is he talking about? He was talking about logic - not own opinion backed by common sense and critical thinking. There might be logic involved.
And there might be experience, observation, facts, common knowledge...
“Hitchens's razor” is actually an (rough) English translation of the Latin proverb "
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur", (What is freely asserted is freely deserted.). It's not from Hitchens at all. He took a proverb and mixed it into his own statement.
No, it can't be applied. The whole quote is just the the contradiction of sapere aude (dare to think for yourself), to make us do exactly the opposite.
“Hitchens's razor” is actually an (rough) English translation of the Latin proverb "
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur", (What is freely asserted is freely deserted.). It's not from Hitchens at all. He took a proverb and mixed it into his own statement about logic.
No, it can't be applied. The whole quote is just the the contradiction of sapere aude (dare to think for yourself), to make us do exactly the opposite.
So my
Edit1 seems to be valid. Someone is quoting Hitchens wrong - and calls it Hitchens' Razor.
Wamiduku, you have been tricked - and I think you don't understand Hitchens' Razor itself. Additionally you try to use its assumed message in the wrong context.
You kept me busy, but I learned something here. So I'm more thankful than mad.
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Edit3: Richard Dawkins, a fellow antitheistic activist of the late Hitchens, formulated totally different, at TED in February 2002:
“The onus is on you to say why, the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not.”
This works fine and enables you to discuss new ideas - make claims without “official evidence”. You may think for yourself.
A refugee might have suffered from the exposure to violence, because we know of soldiers suffering from the same conditions. The unexpected behaviour could be caused by this, not by his
real Muslim belief.
There has no official evidence for the statement to be found and linked. There may be no evidence available at all, by now no tests executed.
But we may agree onto this, just out of common sense.