OT? Is religion off-topic in this thread?
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Originally Posted by Oberon
It's a bit more complicated than that, some do believe that yes, whereas others believe that the Holy Trinity (The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit) represent three different things which are united in their essence. [...]
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And they also tried to kill each other, from Spain to England, because of that or various other opinions. Then catholicism, evangelism, judaism, the anglican church, baptism, and lots and lots of other "splinter groups".
I guess we can all say that
1. there are not much people today in the West who take the bible literally, if they believe at all.
2. There are a lot who bend the bible in their way, quoting what pleases them most and simply disregarding the "rest".
3. The bible is contradictory, depending on which parts and authors you read.
4. There has been a lot of discussing and abstraction in christian theological circles for centuries, to unite and come to a common view, but there are still lots of sects who still believe in their own. Most do not play a big role though. Thank.. God.
Islam being a slightly younger religion, it
seems a lot of this theological discussion has not yet taken place, but also a lot of egoists with their own unethical goals quote those text components they want their followers to believe, and abuse it. Most "christian" atrocities have been perpetrated until the 19th century, when there were still some witches burnt, in the US. But the real big bad things did take place before and in the middle ages, some centuries ago.
You could say that the interpretation in Islam has not come to a more united view "yet", but this may be wrong. It is just that a few donkeyholes abuse and bend it to their liking, because every "leader" ever had to have a
legitimation for their ruling, no matter how far-fetched it may appear.
The daesh leaders legitimate their crimes by the Koran, but they only quote what suits them. What we see are people blowing their own trumpet, for themselves and their power, just using religion to their personal advantage.
Any new christian leader could (ab)use the bible in the same way.
From own experience and perception:
Some 7 or 8 years ago, the local "muslims" or should i just say common people of another faith invited all to their "mosque" (being just another normal house here) for a secular celebration, and to talk about differences and possible "joint ventures" so to speak. All quite reasonable, organising charity events and generally trying to fit in. Some businessmen and women, some selling snacks, lots of children, all with german passport in the 3rd generation or so. They also showed us their praying chamber, a reasonable priest/Imam and they did not hold back much, if at all.
I failed to see aggressiveness or even the will to convert anyone. They did it for a better integration and coming to know each other.
With all those new immigrants, this is certainly another matter. But bedeviling all?