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Old 04-26-06, 05:47 AM   #9
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I deserve the death penalty, I think.

In the warehouse were I work, the team of store detectives we currently have engaged are from an agency that is run by a Turk (I think), and he only has "Ausländer" in his service. The two guys patrolling our store are from Algeria, and Iran. I repeatedly talked to them during the brakes, we have a good comm-line to each other The Algerian said that three out of four thieves that he catches are Ausländer. He also says that dealing with them is difficult, because they are far more aggressive, arrogant, and bigmouthed than his German "victims". Becasue of these, he is fully armed with a protective waste-coat, a viper-stick (love that one!), spray and handcuffs. Next he says that these people make him feel ashamed, because he considers himself to be a visitor and guest only (although he has lived in Germany for many, many years now!), and a guest should behave and submit to the habits and rules of his host. We also talked about Islam and terrorism.

Well, their service began during the christmas time, and last monday he first admitted that he had checked the many things and views I told him about Islam (until now he is Muslim, or better he considers himself to be while I argued that he already had given up to be a true Muslim), and had spend quite some time in the libraries. First he felt massively attacked and kept on talking to me only because then we already had a good relationship. He even has started to visit lessons about comparing religious science, a free university course that is for the public, and this semestre is focussing on Islam, if I understood him correctly. In the beginning he was angry at me, but then started to learn to see things from a perspective that does not begin and does not end inside Islam. Last monday he said he started to consider to cancel his Muslimship, and that he has started to look with quite some disgust at Islam's history, too. He also is in deep trouble with his family, becasue of this. But I have good hope for him, and think he will make his way. It's always a beautiful thing to see a sleeper waking up.

The other guy, the Iranian, I also come along with very well, kind guy (and a good fighter, it seems). Like me he has done Wing Tsun, and even knew my Turkish trainer form Osnabrück, Turam. Having been in Iran for longer myself, we surely have two themes to talk about now He said all by himself what I think and have voiced in this forum repeatedly: having lived in both countries, but Germany in the main, he realizes that many Muslims who spend a long time in the West since their childhood only stick to Islam (in the original meaning that I have often explained) because they do not know any intellectual alternative. Next he complained abput the lack of historical knowlöedge about Islam that he said is very wide-spread in the Muslims communities that he does now in Germany! Well, that should have been my statement, shouldn'T it. The confrontation with the superior value system and civilizational developement of the West during the history of the last centuries often make them close their eyes and turn stubborn, defending their Islam stubbornly like being under a spell or in shock, deer in a headlight, but in very few cases make them aware of the backwardness of the system they have been in, that way the living example of life in the West is like a seed, raising doubts. He thinks that is what the pro-Islam-faction in Western politics is hoping for, but he says that they by far exaggerate their hopes. Only very very few Muslims will react like that, while in Brussel they seem to think a majoreity will do like that. This guy, too, is in doubt of whether he wants to stay inside Islam.

He also said that there is no real difference between moderate and fundamental Islam. Needless to say that this went down my ears like baby-oil... He surley knows quite some things about Islamic history.

These two Muslims are not the first two I talked into reassessing their belief, and I know of at least two persons, that in recent years partly to my influence had left Islam.

For turning fine believers into heretics, I really should be executed, don't you think? Also, the same say two letters from Anonymous that I received in January and February. So, if one day you do not heare and read from me anymore, you may assume that I have saved one Muslim too much
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