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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner
I'd, go so far and say they are next to useless, since they are very unreliable. They aren't the wonder-tool so many SJW's claim. And personally, I can understand every single cop reaching for his 9mm instead of a "maybe you will get home tonight, maybe not" toy. Reaching for your gun is the best safety you can get and I think it is sick of spoiled SJW idiots to even DEMAND cops use them in potentially life threatening situations.
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Your kind of grossly oversimplifying things. Tasers are generally successful in most cases, particularly when drugs are not involved. But to use a taser properly you need to be well trained on the device, as despite the manufacturers advertising, they are not simply point and shoot. Tasers can be defeated by thick or dense materials the person is wearing, they are a very short range device, and the needles can go off course (you need both to penetrate the skin for the device to work). This is one of the reasons why a typical police taser has at least 2 shots. It also means you need to be very mindful of where you aim, or if the taser is even likely to work in the situation.
Police also have other LTL devices that can be used, such as netguns (they are good for disabling people on a meth rampage), pepperballs (these are not used a whole lot due to the list of deaths associated with them), or K9 dogs.
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The matter is simple: DON'T resist and DON'T threaten - no need to worry*.
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As I pointed out in my last post that can be hard to do, and keep in mind there are 2 or more people involved in this equation, and both of them can have completely different interpretations of the situation. I can also think of several recent cases, where the person was shot while complying, particularly black men.
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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner
As if a large number of cops are mindless machines who just don't care or what!
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While I would certainly agree, the police have always had a problem with certain types finding their way into the police system, including blatant racists, people that desire the power and want to use it, sociopaths, and gun nuts who want to get to use guns for real.
Veterans with PTSD also have a tendency of joining police forces after their deployment and service have ended (Seriously, you would not believe the number of veterans I've worked with who had also been police or corrections officers after they came back), which can create a very dangerous situation if they have a flashback while responding, for the officer themselves, and/or the person(s) they are dealing with. In the case of combat veterans, they may not even have recovered from their deployment and may still feel like they are still in combat.
I'm not calling any of these people mindless machines (people are not mindless machines), but for the most part the police really could do with some tightening up of their recruitment.
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Who said anything about innocent?
How can the cop know - before hand - if the person he approaches means trouble?
Who said the cop has to reach for his gun as long as a person is compliant?
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As I said - be cooperative, don't pull any stunts -> everybody gets home safe. No rocket science.
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This is a bit of an oversimplification, as what happens if the officer is not following proper procedure, or what if the person is just having a bad day? Officers are also not perfect and may incorrectly assess the situation. The two most crucial things to ensure public safety is proper and extensive training, and a strong amount of police involvement in the community. The other important things is anti-racism training (something even black officers need), and a great deal of shoot no shoot drills to try to override the latent tendency to view black men as automatically threatening.
Also fyi in the USA most police officers, after a traffic stop, will tend to approach cars containing black people with guns already drawn. They may think this black person is the one an APB was put out on, or they may just assume criminality. This also happens when on foot too.
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If anyone wants to mention the one guy who got shot in his car for no reason, congratulations, you are the problem in this debate.
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Why shouldn't we mention him? From all the information presently available, the officer was not following proper procedure, and that the use of lethal force was not warranted at that moment. By the sounds of things the guy was in full compliance, including informing the officer that he did have a concealed carry permit, and that he was presently armed. The officer failed to handle the situation at that point