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Skybird · 04-20-06, 06:15 AM

Surprising that Zinni as an active general now is accused of having done (rallying beghind Rumsfeld, supporting his war) - what in this thread he is expected to do (giving up support for Rumsfeld) and is accused of not doing any longer (giving it up). He is not the first military who complains about Rumsfeld wiping all advise and planning of his staff off the table, and insisting on his own plan - which then, with biting lips, had been set out by the generals.

The generals that way are held responsible for the operations in the war theatre, although it was rumsfeld'S plan, not theirs. And they did not complain. that big their loyalty and sense of obedience to their superior has been. Look at the chatastrophic results and see how good that plan of Rumsfeld&Co has been. Now some generals demand that rumsfeld - finally, after years! -. is held responsible for his incompetence. Oh shame! Oh lacking honour! Treachery!

Bush and followers are also well-known for having massively influenced the processing of intel data time and again, since before 9/11. Intel was demanded to deliver the reasons for war - no matter if they were there or not. Intel gathering is the responsebility of the according official staff, yes. But if these procedures are influenced, and the results are filtered and tailored for the wanted outcome, and if in this manner it is decided by superior ranks like the administration itself what the intel gathering procedure SHOULD show, and what not, it all becomes a farce. Nevertheless guilt is always sought for in the intel community, not in those political idiots messing up the process and tell them in advance what the intel procedure should deliver them.

The criticism voiced in the above quote is so damn hypocritical and biased. The motivation obviously is: "if he is not supporting war/Bush/Rumsfeld, discredit the guy and silence him that way".

04-20-06, 06:15 AM	#68
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,665 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Surprising that Zinni as an active general now is accused of having done (rallying beghind Rumsfeld, supporting his war) - what in this thread he is expected to do (giving up support for Rumsfeld) and is accused of not doing any longer (giving it up). He is not the first military who complains about Rumsfeld wiping all advise and planning of his staff off the table, and insisting on his own plan - which then, with biting lips, had been set out by the generals. The generals that way are held responsible for the operations in the war theatre, although it was rumsfeld'S plan, not theirs. And they did not complain. that big their loyalty and sense of obedience to their superior has been. Look at the chatastrophic results and see how good that plan of Rumsfeld&Co has been. Now some generals demand that rumsfeld - finally, after years! -. is held responsible for his incompetence. Oh shame! Oh lacking honour! Treachery! Bush and followers are also well-known for having massively influenced the processing of intel data time and again, since before 9/11. Intel was demanded to deliver the reasons for war - no matter if they were there or not. Intel gathering is the responsebility of the according official staff, yes. But if these procedures are influenced, and the results are filtered and tailored for the wanted outcome, and if in this manner it is decided by superior ranks like the administration itself what the intel gathering procedure SHOULD show, and what not, it all becomes a farce. Nevertheless guilt is always sought for in the intel community, not in those political idiots messing up the process and tell them in advance what the intel procedure should deliver them. The criticism voiced in the above quote is so damn hypocritical and biased. The motivation obviously is: "if he is not supporting war/Bush/Rumsfeld, discredit the guy and silence him that way". __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.