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Originally Posted by tomfon
I'm not quite sure i follow you.
During WWII almost 60 million people became refugees and i'm pretty sure they violated someone else's rights in an attempt to reach safety... The Articles of the Convention refer to a migrant crisis ; i.e. a massive displacement of people who flee their country in a desperate attempt to seek shelter (however far they would have to go). So we're not talking about someone who parks his car right in front of your doorstep or someone who suddenly decides to jump to the front of a long queue simply because he felt like doing so. We're talking about ordinary people engaged into an extra-ordinary situation: That of losing their home & family because the whole country is partly a warzone and partly a nest of extremists. What should one expect from them? Grace and consistency?
For too long the West has intervened in the Middle East and its affairs but somehow the leaders failed to foresee that the destabilization of a whole region will ultimately have an impact on their own countries! This very simple truth is the primary lesson they should have learned right after 9/11. Paris attack(s), is the proof they didn't, again & again. Is it stupidity? Is it the lack of a serious strategy? I wouldn't know. What i know is that, now each refugee is a living proof and a constant reminder of that failure, for one more time... The tragedy of the refugees became a European problem - and in my opinion, they knew all about it since early 2015 or even earlier. So i guess that we may ignore reality but we can't ignore the consequences. I take it you'd agree with that. In other words, when it rains, you will get wet. Given the scale of the problem, i believe that we should carefully consider how the rain started in the first place.
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Yes, as always its all just our own fault and our own responsibility. Who else, if not us.
Meanwhile Certzainb 'Muslim states spend hundreds of millions into missionising centres in Europe and billions into Muslim terrorism - while refusing to give a damn for their precious Muslim brothers and sisters.
By the way, your precious subscription for paradise (international laws) on this case only state that neighbouring states should give shelter to war refugees. A general right for these people to choose the country they want to be hospitalised and hosted by, does not exist. EU treaties also do not state such a right. One can opt to support neighbouring states, such as Jordan , Egypt, etc etc, do do that: by collecting private donations and transfer them. But I wonder why I should, doing that when at the same time rich Muslims states care a damn for their precious Muslim brothers and sisters and instead invest hundreds of millions per year into raising Muslim missionising centres and Islam centres in Europe and investing billions into global Muslim terrorism. Indirectly I would financially invest into Muslim terrorism and missionsing that way.
Ralph Waldo Emerson, and one of his best and most famous essays: On Self- Reliance:
"Then again, do not tell me, as a good man did today, of my obligation to put all poor men in good situations. Are they my poor? I tell thee, thou foolish philanthropist, that I grudge the dollar, the dime, the cent I give to such men as do not belong to me and to whom I do not belong. There is a class of persons to whom by all spiritual affinity I am bought and sold; for them I will go to prison if need be; but your miscellaneous popular charities; the education at college of fools; the building of meeting-houses to the vain end to which many now stand; alms to sots; and the thousandfold Relief Societies; -- though I confess with shame I sometimes succumb and give the dollar, it is a wicked dollar, which by and by I shall have the manhood to withhold."
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love RWE, and this essay especially.
Just so that you know: my father's family were refugees, too. And the biggest sub-group of people in Germany complaining about germany'S undiscriminatory migration policy - is that minority amongst Muslim migrants who indeed integrated themselves into German society and culture over the past 20-40 years. The majority of Muslim migrants in germany - are net receivers of social wellfare even after decades the families are here now. And Germany, different to what is said, doe snot have net treasury for free, we have no money. We have debts - debts, and more of the same. Explicit debts are ~85% of the yearly GDP last year. Implicit debts already now are calculated to be in the most likely range of 400-800% most likely. The costs of the migrants coming in 2015 alone, got calculated to be many hundreds of billions. Including all the follow-on-costs after same ratios of failed and successful integration acctrdpi8ng to the examples set by Muslim migrants we already have, are calculated to be close to one trillion until 2030. These masses of people coming and having nothing to offer that is needed in germany, will cost us tremendously. And this will make itself felt sooner or later.
If foreign markets collapse and German exports falter, many of those few migrants who in 6-8 years will have integrated into the job world, will lose their jobs and become social wellfare receivers again.
I totally reject any moral obligation that nevertheless we "must" accept this.
We must not.