Quote:
Originally Posted by Schroeder
And he's done: http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/uebergriffe-117.html
About bloody time. 
Our country has completely surrendered it's authority on that night and that must never happen again. What does the police have pepper spray, batons and guns for? Oh, I forgot that the left will start crying "police state" if those were to be used...well, now our own people are crying but I guess we'll just have to accept that, tight? Brave new world. |
As someone who has been on the receiving end of police actions - sometimes undeserved, sometimes not, let me tell you this:
I would have had absolutely no problem if the police would have taken violent measures to solve the situation in Cologne. Yeah, there might have been innocents hurt in the process, but i would have loved to be kissed by a baton if it would have stopped a sole woman from being harrassed or raped. I guess only the numbest of the numb would have cried: 'police violence' afterwards.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schroeder
The green party already got a new slogan out for this year yesterday:
This can be translated into something like: "For a Europe without isolation."
Is this a case of denial? |
I saw the picture and the first thought i had was: detachment. If there has ever been a picture to describe this noun, it's this one.
Yes, I know one shouldn't judge people by their looks, but who cares. This picture symbolizes a huge part of the problem in Germany when discussing the whole migration topic here. I'm sure you agree with me, that calling the debate culture about refugees in Germany 'toxic' is an understatement. Seems like binary thinking is king, nuances and pragmatism gets shot instantly.
It might be part of my upbringing in the lower class, but I see a bunch of middle class folks standing around, uttering statements which exactly say nothing. "Feel-good-policy", more for themselves than for the people they claim to help.
I even have some empathy for them. In my line of work I am surrounded by brilliant people from all over the world. Educated, speaking many languages and multicultural in the best meaning of the word.
However I know how the reality looks: the middle class is not the one who experience all the negative results of politics with heart but without mind.
The datatchment from reality was made clear by the vice chancellor, with his infamous "scum" sentence, putting everyone who has the slightest doubts about the policy, into the same bucket as some bonehead idiots who want to burn people for their color of skin.
It's the lower-class who will struggle in a "social state" which gets chopped down by the hour and will competing for the finite resources of jobs, homes, etc.
However it's also the lower-class scum which did more for integration than any state policy ever did. The parents of Ali and Hans might never talk or trust each other, but the kids play together on the playground and are together in school. So while the "scum" might also have the biggest objections to the current policies, it's the "scum" who lived with all the people together since years, in good and in bad. They were the first who saw an immigrant as a person, neither bogeyman nor a helpless rabbit.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I want to put some perspective into it. Just had an 2 hour debate over the German policiy, where my argument of finite resources was shot down by the words "that's the same Lebensraum argument we heard before"
My reply was only: "Congratulations, you just put every economist or a country like Sweden into the same category than the Nazis."
I'm curious how you see that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Betonov
Yep.
And the other extreme to the spectrum, the ''roll on your back'' and ''let's let everyone in'' left.
But those two sides are interesting to the media.
No one wants to report on those of us on the left that think that a immigration limit should be in place or those on the right that believe that controlled immigration is beneficial to the country. We just don't sell the news anymore.
|
I hear you, mate, I made the same observations. The English language has a nice term for the folks you describe:
regressive Left