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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat
and do you think that if NATO had stopped at the German border, that all would be quiet?
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Yes. Do you really think Russia would have invaded Poland by now, had Poland not joined NATO? Really??
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Putin has made no secret that he wants to expand Russian influence back to the border of the former USSR. IMHO, without NATO, you would have the same type of "hybrid war" in the Baltic states.
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Why do i always have to repeat that: Putin was NOT head of the state when Poland joined the NATO. Yeltsin was, he had asked for a kind of joint venture, but it was denied. Gorbatchev or Yeltsin would not have done such things at all as Putin does, now.
After 1989 it became clear, that Russia had been afraid of the NATO all he time, and of the cowboy-like behaviour of US presidents like Nixon, and Reagan.
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Ukraine has been a part of Russia for centuries, a majority speak Russian, a large minority are ethnic Russians, up until last year, Russia was their main trading partner.
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Umm, yes. So it not too far-minded to see it belongs more to Russia, than to its western neighbours. If they WANT to join the west, ok. Does the
majority want it? Really? Or is it western media hype?
B.t.w. did you know Ukraine did not exist as a country, before the german Wehrmacht and High command decided to make it so?
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So why is it that a majority of Ukrainians want to join NATO and the EU?
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They do not all want that.
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IMHO it has a lot more to do with Russian actions and intentions than anything the West may have done.
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Russian action certainly adds, to the equation.
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Poland does not invade its neighbours. 
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With those Kaczyński brothers, as with the new elected government ..(?)..hmm. Ok after all i guess you are right
