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Commander Wallace · 08-08-15, 08:15 AM

I do see where Politenessman and Oberon make a good point. To be fair, it's a contentious issue where people are sharply divided. Politenessman also pointed out the atrocities with regards to the brutal treatment of people in China and POW's. The bataan death march comes to mind.

it's important to note that the USSR declared war on Japan on August 9th, 1945, some 3 days after the U.S bombed Hiroshima and the same day as the bombing of Nagasaki. The USSR knew the war was essentially over not only from knowing of the atomic bombing of Japan but also because of their spy network penetration of the Manhattan project itself.

It is believed the USSR , in the form of war reparations would give them control of the disputed Kuril Islands. These islands were annexed after WW2 by the USSR
The modern Kuril Islands dispute arose in the aftermath of WWII and results from the ambiguities in and disagreements about the meaning of the Yalta agreement (February 1945), the Potsdam Declaration (July 1945) and the Treaty of San Francisco (September 1951). The Yalta Agreement, signed by the US, Great Britain and the Soviet Union, stated:

The leaders of the three great powers – the Soviet Union, the United States of America and Great Britain – have agreed that in two or three months after Germany has surrendered and the war in Europe is terminated, the Soviet Union shall enter into war against Japan on the side of the Allies on condition that: [....] 2. The former rights of Russia violated by the treacherous attack of Japan in 1904 shall be restored, viz.: (a) The southern part of Sakhalin as well as the islands adjacent to it shall be returned to the Soviet Union; [....] 3. The Kurile Islands shall be handed over to the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute

Therefore the USSR risked nothing in declaring war on Japan and gained control of these disputed Islands. They were allies of convenience
who shared a common enemy, not a common goal.

As Nipplespanner states , No one wants to see the horrific results and aftermath of nuclear weapons use.

08-08-15, 08:15 AM	#31
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,323 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	I do see where Politenessman and Oberon make a good point. To be fair, it's a contentious issue where people are sharply divided. Politenessman also pointed out the atrocities with regards to the brutal treatment of people in China and POW's. The bataan death march comes to mind. it's important to note that the USSR declared war on Japan on August 9th, 1945, some 3 days after the U.S bombed Hiroshima and the same day as the bombing of Nagasaki. The USSR knew the war was essentially over not only from knowing of the atomic bombing of Japan but also because of their spy network penetration of the Manhattan project itself. It is believed the USSR , in the form of war reparations would give them control of the disputed Kuril Islands. These islands were annexed after WW2 by the USSR The modern Kuril Islands dispute arose in the aftermath of WWII and results from the ambiguities in and disagreements about the meaning of the Yalta agreement (February 1945), the Potsdam Declaration (July 1945) and the Treaty of San Francisco (September 1951). The Yalta Agreement, signed by the US, Great Britain and the Soviet Union, stated: The leaders of the three great powers – the Soviet Union, the United States of America and Great Britain – have agreed that in two or three months after Germany has surrendered and the war in Europe is terminated, the Soviet Union shall enter into war against Japan on the side of the Allies on condition that: [....] 2. The former rights of Russia violated by the treacherous attack of Japan in 1904 shall be restored, viz.: (a) The southern part of Sakhalin as well as the islands adjacent to it shall be returned to the Soviet Union; [....] 3. The Kurile Islands shall be handed over to the Soviet Union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute Therefore the USSR risked nothing in declaring war on Japan and gained control of these disputed Islands. They were allies of convenience who shared a common enemy, not a common goal. As Nipplespanner states , No one wants to see the horrific results and aftermath of nuclear weapons use. Last edited by Commander Wallace; 08-08-15 at 08:28 AM.