thank you u47 1956, ill try it out like that. thats what i was hoping to see if anyone else had a different mod order that they knew worked because id shuffle them around a bit and ive experienced the uzo problem as well. i was actually going through some old screenshots i had and it reminded me of how much fun i used to have playing SH3 without the patches so i may just fresh install and just enable this mod list back up and play the poop out of it again. thanks again.