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Originally Posted by Betonov
A lot can happen in 50 years.
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True. It's also true that anything said in hindsight (referring to my own comments here) can never be anything but speculation.
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Originally Posted by Camaero
History is a scary thing when people can view the past with entirely conflicting eyes. Everyone has their own truth.
If you stare too far off into only one direction, you may fail to see all of the truths that lie opposite.
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Very good observations and advice. It adds a lot to the discussion, and not because of your admitted sentiment at the end.
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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet
I choose to keep them to myself because what i have to say about the man a century and a half after the fact wont to amount to a mound of mouse turds
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Maybe not, but anybody's opinion is worth discussing if kept within the bounds of discussion rather than tirade. I'm always interested in finding out why others think what they do, and I'm always willing to try to understand why those ideas exist. I had some wonderful discussion with UnderSeaLCPL on this very subject back in the day.
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but can someone remind me why we are entertaining this thread by continuing to discuss this?
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For my part it's because of the reasons I give immediately above. Discussion is the only means we have to understand each other. Communication is the one advantage humankind has over all the other animals.
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so whats the point really?
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That is a question that only he can answer.
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why do we tolerate this? 
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Because it's General Topics, and because as long as they stay within the rules everyone is allowed to state their opinions. The problem arises when the poster is so convinced of his own rightness that discussion ceases. I try to keep discussion alive as long as I can, in the hope that sometimes something real will be accomplished. In some cases it's not possible, but I keep trying. That's my sickness.
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Originally Posted by HunterICX
I think it wouldn't have just been that one civil war I'm affraid.
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You may be right. I find it sad that we'll never know.