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Sniper297 · 03-21-15, 11:33 PM

One of the main reasons I don't use supermods is because the enemy already has superpowers along with help from the psychic friends network, and most supermods I tried just make it worse.

Original programmers used the "fact" that American fleet boats, being larger and heavier than a U boat, took over a minute to submerge. Finding a "fact" in the internet era all too often consists of doing "research" with google, finding some self appointed "expert" with a flawed opinion expressed as fact, and taking that for gospel with no further investigation.

True, the fleet boats originally took over a minute to crash dive, but with practice most crews got that down to 30-35 seconds in real life.

So I hacked mine with Silent 3ditor, the NSS_Sargo.sim for example;

11 UnitSubmarine
Ballast
ManBT_flood_speed = 68000
DiveBT_flood_speed = 58000

Did a little trial and error coming up with those numbers, but I can get the periscope shears under in a bit less than 30 seconds, under 100 feet in less than a minute. To me that seems more realistic, most of the WWII fleet sub non fiction I've read they patrolled on the surface in the daytime as much as possible. Das Boot after 1943 was completely different, in most cases they DID spend the entire day submerged, in fact with allied airborne radar development the U-boats had a hard time even getting out into the Atlantic from the sub pens. I've read accounts of that in 1944 where they tried to cross the Bay of Biscay, got damaged by an air attack, and had to put back in for repairs 3 or 4 times before they finally made it all the way out into the Atlantic.

The Pacific is a much bigger ocean, Japanese radar was never that good, their airborne ASW was never that good and with fuel and airplane shortages got worse instead of better as the war went on. The "realism" of the constant harassment by aircraft in SH4 is on the wrong side and in the wrong theater.

03-21-15, 11:33 PM	#2
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Just the facts, mam. One of the main reasons I don't use supermods is because the enemy already has superpowers along with help from the psychic friends network, and most supermods I tried just make it worse. Original programmers used the "fact" that American fleet boats, being larger and heavier than a U boat, took over a minute to submerge. Finding a "fact" in the internet era all too often consists of doing "research" with google, finding some self appointed "expert" with a flawed opinion expressed as fact, and taking that for gospel with no further investigation. True, the fleet boats originally took over a minute to crash dive, but with practice most crews got that down to 30-35 seconds in real life. So I hacked mine with Silent 3ditor, the NSS_Sargo.sim for example; 11 UnitSubmarine Ballast ManBT_flood_speed = 68000 DiveBT_flood_speed = 58000 Did a little trial and error coming up with those numbers, but I can get the periscope shears under in a bit less than 30 seconds, under 100 feet in less than a minute. To me that seems more realistic, most of the WWII fleet sub non fiction I've read they patrolled on the surface in the daytime as much as possible. Das Boot after 1943 was completely different, in most cases they DID spend the entire day submerged, in fact with allied airborne radar development the U-boats had a hard time even getting out into the Atlantic from the sub pens. I've read accounts of that in 1944 where they tried to cross the Bay of Biscay, got damaged by an air attack, and had to put back in for repairs 3 or 4 times before they finally made it all the way out into the Atlantic. The Pacific is a much bigger ocean, Japanese radar was never that good, their airborne ASW was never that good and with fuel and airplane shortages got worse instead of better as the war went on. The "realism" of the constant harassment by aircraft in SH4 is on the wrong side and in the wrong theater.