[Skybird]

I fail to see any other Islam throughout history than the fighting Islam. This is the only islam I am able to find in the qu'ran and Hadith, the history, and the biography and the living example of Muhammad (whose life was about war, violant enforcement of his will, predatory raids, surpressing opposition by murder and imprisonment, massmurder, slavery, rape, militiary conquest, braking resitance of foreign people's cultures and forcing them to submit. How this kind of guy could be regarded as a spiritual leader and a man of peace remains mystery to me). Islam only - always - came to a standstill were superior military power or lacking economcial ressources brought it to a halt. That is no peace, but a ceasefire. It presses on when it has regained sufficent strength. For it is demanded to press on, a Msulim not doing so is violating Islam, and thus deserves punishement - you think fundamentalists like bin Laden are queer? I tell you they are more in correspondence with the real, the fighting Islam than most of those trying to lull the West by talking about coexistence. Islam'S mission is to spread Islam, until it is in rule everyhwhere. No matter if militarily or like today: demographically. that is part of it's mission. The ammount of aggressiveness and expansive drive of this ideology itself is almost ridiculous. Nevertheless it is a realistic threat.

There is no moderate or "real" Islam separate from the fundamentalist Islam, that discrimination is a Western fantasy only. Muhammad himself has preached that the infidels must be overcome and forced to surrender to Islam, or being killed. The people of the book (that is no compliment, guys, it is a distgusted disqualification, if you just look deep enough into it!) at least must be ruled and dominated and must be enforced to feel humiliated and inferior as a penalty for rejecting Allah - which is the real meaning of the adh-al-dhimmi tradition. Noone would think of the Jews in the paradise ghetto in Warsaw to have been "privileged", and that the SS only brought them there to better protect them. They too were dhimmis of the Nazis, kind of.

There is no moderate or tolerant Islam, there is only the fighting Islam. Peace not before Islam has won it all and wiped out everything that is not Islam. See that aggressive way: yes, Islam means peace. Peace under the ruling of the sword of the prohet. This is it'S message since the 6th century, and nowhere, in no part of it's scriptures that has changed. which is only logical becasue the quran as the devine relevation is regarded as the "end of history". If Allah had revealed himself, there cannot come anything behind him. there is no more insight to be found after and beyond the Quran. A Muslim wanting to be Muslim but not taking the quran word by word is a heretic. Many Western Muslims are not aware of that. that'S why some of them still try to stick to Islam - although they sometimes already have left and abandoned it by the superior thinking and higher developed code of values and ethics their minds have found access to. It is too primitive for them anymore, so they want to distort it and making it sound harmless, that way avoiding to officially get out of Islam. they call themselves Muslims by habit only, but they are no more by true understanding of the term.

then there are Muslims behaving like these kind of people some of you guys label as "moderate muslims", they are not moderate muslims, they are followers of a cult only that is not Islam at all. they pick something from it, but not the whole, unaware that picking some parts of it is not possible in Islam. You cannot choose what you like, and reject the rest. They are not moderate Muslims, but unknowing muslims (which nevertheless is good for us and good for them). A moderate muslim, according to Quran, Hadith, Muhammad, is a contradiction like a democratic fashist or a humanistic Stalinist or an anti-racist KKK-member. It is impossible to define a moderate Muslim, if Islam is understood on the basis of Quran, Hadith and Muhammad - and is not arbitrarily defined to one's own opportunistic likings, ignoring historical information that is known; and ignoring the declared self-understanding of Islam as expressed in - again: Quran, Hadith, Muhammad. These are the basis to define Islam, the only basis, not one Western ambition to balance polarized arguments and make them compatible with our tradition to find compromises. And Islamic history in in correspondence with this fundamentalistic understanding of Islam. That should make people think, but for some reason it doesn't.

Like it or not, guys, but that is simply how it is. Some things you simply cannot talk nicier than they are. You wouldn't suggest the Nazis deserve a peace nobel price, because in the word Nationalsozialismus there is the word "sozial" included. You wouldn'T suggest Stalinism is a value worth to be followed because it has won the war. You shouldn't make comparable mistakes with regard to Islam. Most Muslims, the overwhelming majority, that try to tell you how harmless Islam is - simply do not know enough about the ideology they happen to follow.

Again I want to remind you that since 1400 years members of foreign cultures and religions, until today!, are systemtically decimated in all territories of Muslim sphere of influence, and all Muslim nations - there never has been a period of standstill in the trend. Soemtimes the extinguishing of foreign culture in their territories went faster, sometime s more slowly, but never it had stopped, until today. christians and Jews are masisvely hindered in ALL Muslims countries to practice their faiths, not to mention to missionize, (like Muslims reserve the right to do in our homes - they prohibit us what they excessively do themselves). This is ethnic cleansing as much as it can be. A tolerant, peaceful coexistence, or integration into foreign systems, looks different, I would think.

Give it a small finger, and it rips off your arm, and then goes for the rest of your body, to silence your painful cries so that there is peace again. That is the simple reason why I am so unforgiving in my stand against Islam. Some things you better do not try to arrange yourself with. Sometimes you simply need to make an uncompromised stand against something, ruling out foul compromises. But Europe does not have the will to defend itself with such fighting spirit anymore. Like Eastern Rome tried to buy peace from Attila - only making him storng that way, while getting weak itself. The situation compares.