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Originally Posted by August
Isn't that comparing apples and oranges? The internal affairs of a nation are a far cry from annexing a part of another country.
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In the 80s: Honduras? Panama? Nicaragua? Iraq 2003? Vietnam? That were internal affairs of those states. But that did not stop the US from massive interferences and weapons deliveries, even interventions and all-out war. Nor has the CIA be shy of interfering fundamentally in the Ukraine.
We also recall the massive US support for dictatorships and torture regimes in South America. The opportunistic support for brutla reigmes in africa if it served and serves American interest in resources. The close alliances with terror-supporters in the Muslim world.
America is not more and not less an honest broker than Russia is. And both act for their very own interests. Morals and justice have nothing to do with it, but geostrategic self interest: and that includes to damage the other fore the purpose of just weakening the other.
I do not favour the one over the other. I call both by their name: egoist actors. Morals have nothing to do with it, that is just propaganda for the plebs, to make them rally behind oneself. America does like that, and Russia does like that and probaly even more successful (media say never has Russians' hostile sentiments against the West been so intense like today).
If Russia would deliver military grade weapons to the cartels in Mexico, or would stage a coup in Canada to topple the government and implement a Kremlin-friendly one -
the US would not stand by and do nothing, but would do EVERYTHING necessary to prevent or reverse that.
Don't even try to convince me or many others that you wouldn't.
You would, and you know it. Thats as certain as it was clear that the US would not tolerate Russian missiles on Cuba. At no cost would the US accept Russian troops and sensors on Mexican and Canadian soil ten kilometers behind the border, and Russian warships and SSNs and fighters and bombers having a base at the Lake Erie (if thta makes military sense...
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So lecturing other about the wrong in doing what your nation itself has done repeatedly, and is doing until today, is not really convincing. The US has not the moral credibility to do so anymore. And I told you that before - already in 2003.
What Mexico or Canada is for you, Ukraine and Easteuropean states are for Russia. The European states they already lost, naively believing in promises they had been given, and being mocked for by Americna dipolmats who told them to shut up, the promises were never turned into treaties. You betrayed their good willingness there. So now do not compolain that they do not make the same mistake again anymore, and act prememtoively when America diplomacy very obviously has started to push once again to bring Ukraine into NATO and the US fleet into Sewastopol therefore. What you would never accept with Canada or Mexico, you nevertheless demand the Russians to accept regarding the Ukraine, after you already betrayed their trust over the neutral puffer the Easteuropeans states were promised to remain? That is double standards.
These double standards maybe is what emotionally angers me most in all this. This hilarious display of hypocrisy and moral haughtiness.
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I also remind of the example of Georgia again. Like there, the leadership in Kiev today is none we should wish to deal with.
Not at all. The West had placed its bets on the wrong horse in Georgia, and the EU even admitted that afterwards, shutting the door for him and ignoring him. Washington ignores the bitter truth until today: that Saakashvili was the villain behind the wanted escalation. That it wants Georgia again into NATO shows, that it is pure powerpolitics that has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with justice or moral rights. The historical supression of the Abchasians with brute force by the Georgians until the war, plays no role in American reasoning, too. The moral card only gets played when it serves America's powerpolitical interests. If it is more opportune to act immorally, America does not hesitate to do so.
So much for morals!