[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

No Muslims full stop I would say, right Sky?

No Muslims be they black, white, brown. No Muslims be they from the Middle East, the USA, Australia, Africa or wherever. No Muslims be they highly skilled workers, doctors, dentists, chemists. But what would you do with those German citizens who are Muslim Sky? What would you like your government to do? How would you like this problem dealt with? You must have some ideas surely.

Would I be able to travel to your country for a holiday? Should there be a law that a persons religion must be stated on their passport/identification papers? Or should this be taken further with some form of visual ID/marking on ones person that indicates them being Muslim? Could I take up employment in your country on a work permit visa with my parent company in Germany?

Inside europe, and the West - Europe/West (culture, religion, traditions, habits, values, laws) goes first. You know I see Islam as an aggressive ideology aiming at expansion, no matter how. My Muslim neighbour next door may be a kind and nice guy - but the sheer fact that he is here helps islam to spread in europe. I define Islam on the basis of Quran, Hadith, the example set by Muhammad's life. according to that, you, Konovalov, does not qualify in my eyes to be a full Muslim - which is absolutely no offending, from my perspective. I expect that if we would meet, your wife would not be hesitent to shake hands with me, and would not wore a veil or burka. You probably do not do a lot of things that according to Quran and sharia you would be obligated to do - if you were a real Muslim in Muhammd's understanding. I expect you do not argue that a Christian cross at a construction place for a mosque should be removed. You certainly do not demand that Europe has to give up oarts of itslef to let Islam in. Do you?

But the aggressiveness of Islam in Europe and it's attempt to tackle traditional cultural barriers hindering it, and bring down laws and structures that are typical for our societies, but are not to it's liking, is increasing. Not one week in Germany were not a new case at court has been reported on wheere some muslim man or women tried to overcome such "barriers" because they are not in correspondence with their Islamic view from their religious perpective. People have started to relaize that constitutions that are based on the principle of separation between poltiics and religion are almost defenseless against an intolerant ideology that is exactly the opposite - that is basing on the unity of politics and religion.

Truth is, Konovalov, the sheer existence of so many Muslims in our societies pushes Islam forward, no matter if these people are nice and kind or not. this is not the criterion. The ideology that is helped to spread by that is the criterion. You are right, i do not care if Muslims are of this or that skin colour. I demand them to fully submit to our local cultural dominance, and where there is conflict between their values and ours, they have to step back - or leave the country, to live a Muslim life in a musolim country. At no cost I want to live in an increasingly Muslim society, it is to rigid, to backward, too primitve for me. Not the smallest sympathy from me. While crime rate and unemployment is not exclusively a Muslim problem in Germany, it nevertheless is an important variable linked to that. It illustrates a sociological and psychological reality that is different, but hard fact, than what well-wishing politicians and humansits want it to be. It simply says: people prefer to stick to people like themselves, they do not want to have too many foreigners in their middle. and that is true not only for Europeans, but for all other socieities around the globe as well. That is a preference that is encoded in our nature, I assume. One could mix it up with racism, but it is not. It simply says that there are differences between people, and their mentalities. The differences between the Orient'S and Europe's history in the last thousand years, and the differences between Islam and chrsitian tradition does not exactly help to delete these differences between people.

Would I welcome you in Germany? Yes, but only as long as you do not propagate in any means the spreading of Islam. concenring the many immigrants we already have: there are those who tried to adopt to local habits and customs, and fully merge into our society. They are welcomed to stay. But those who are here since 10, 20, 30 years, but still haven't leanred our local language, denying their hosting nation even the smallest ammount of respect by that, should leave, yes. I insist on any immigrant wanting to live in Grmany, that he must have that truly and deeply wish to become a german, not only by passport, but by ethical and value-related convictions, understanding of legal principles in Western laws, ways of social interaction and behavior. I also reserve the right to ask immigrants what they have to offer in return that is of value for us, in exchange for us accepting them in our middle. I do not want a growing personell basis to strengthen increasing subcultures in Germany that areerdoing our culture and constitutional order.

There is a saying, it goes somehow like this. If oyu let in a single muslim, due to the unique structure and selfunderstanding of Islam you have let in all the world's Islam as well, which this single person represents. I see some truth in that. Islam is no guest willing to be one guest amongst others. He wants to become the ruler of the house. That's why I have become more and more less reluctant to kick his ass out.

It comes down to this, Konovalov. When a foreigner is in our place, he plays according to our rules and habits and step back whenever these are in conflict with his. Else he leaves voluntarily, or we reserve the right to kick him out in an act of self-defense.

You may agree or not, Konovalov, but this does not change the fact that on the presence of so many foreigners in general and muslims in special creates sociological conflicts on the ground that are a reality - no matter if you like that or not. And they turn into more and more violant potentials. It's simply does not work like multi-kulti-fans would like to have it in their imagination.

What I want my government to do? change immigration rules. Immigrants should proove why they are of value for german society, they must comply with the local resident'S justified demand that they fully accept their rules and culture and do not wish to raise their own subculture, and they must stop pressing for the spreading of Islam in special, they also have to explain in writing why they do wish to become german by heart and mind. In general, this is not much different than what you need to do if you wish to become and american for example. americas rules in this regard are much tighter than German ones, currently. Also, learning german language is a MUST. If it is not fulfilled after a reasonable ammount of time, they have to leave again.

You must not claim your rleigion in your passport. If you do no active missionizing and stop building more and more mosques and "culturee centres" and would stop to demand from Germans to adopt for example public laws or details concerning public schools accoriding to Islamic interests, that would be sufficient.

Working visa: yes, if you have to offer us a skill that we are in ned of. If you just add a widespread job offer to the thosuands of such offers that are already on the market and a burden to the high unemployment, then you would not get such a visa from me. which again is the way how several Western countries already handle it.

Would you like me and other coming to australia and strating to tell you that you Australians have to start changing things and making it accropding to how we live in Germany? If I go there, I am a guest, and so I behave like a guest, that is a simple matter of rles of politeness. Islam in Germany and other european countries more and more often starts to behave as if it is an equal to it's host, or even a master. and you wonder why people like me turn stubborn?