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Skybird · 03-30-06, 05:06 PM

... but left and green politicians are already there again to declare that it all is not so bad.

http://www.welt.de/data/2006/03/30/867413.html
http://archiv.tagesspiegel.de/archiv...06/2443961.asp
http://morgenpost.berlin1.de/content...ik/820170.html

In Berlin, the first school in Germany has switched it's working conditions to red alert. Teachers got attacked, things get thrown at them, chairs and boxes get thrown out of windows, vandalism is considered to be "in", teachers only dare to enter classes with their handies ready to call for help. The scenes to be seen on TV were chaotic. Juveniles are short of attacking camera men. Private guards to protect the houses seem to be helpless - they tell people to go away, then retreat into the building and close and lock the doors. Only a handful of students in classes, druing hours, the rest on the street, fighting, or smoking, or hanging around. Violence and gang clashes are daily routine. The teachers have given up and demanded in an open letter that the schoold should be closed and disbanded.

Berlin police said yesterday that at least thirty schools in Berlin are known centres for gang-buuilding and hotspots for recrutiing young ones for gangs and organized crime. Severe violence (physical, drugs, sexual attacks) are on the daily chart. First schools in Germany have started to separate students from different schools using the same schoolyard by high scurity fences - scenes like from a prison yard, but the aggression is just redirected, not controlled.

Reports like these are circulating in German Tv since quite some time now. And always my impression was: I see a vast majority of non-German teens and juveniles, only a small number of Germans there. So far it was an subjective impression, and telling that loiud would have earned me an accusation of being a racist in Germany. since yesterday, official numbers had been published. In the example of the school in berlin, only 13% there are Germans, while 87% are foreigners. One third and one quarter are Albanians and Turks, then quite some others, 13% Germans - a minority. Germans a minority in a German school???. The school is located in a central sector of Berlin, Neukölln, with high crime and high unemployment: up to 45%. It is problematic ground. Part of the violence is due to the lack of perspectives. But the conflict also describes psychological realities. They do not want to be so much German as that they would be considered to be German. And Germans do not want so many strangers like the politicians are pushing in, which creates a growing unwillingness of Germans to give the strangers chances to integrate themselves. Russians and Poles have it easier, they are closer to our culture and habits, often have german roots in their families, try harder to adopt, to fit in, learn the language. Arabas, Truks and people from the Balkans, and muslims in general, are not perceived to be so close to us and our origins in history, traditon, culture. Which only is correct. It is a fact. We have far more in common with the Germans in Russia thta now are coming back, than with the for example Turkmen (originating from nothern Iran and Afghanistan). there are differences in general mentalities. It is easier for us to deal with german Russians and Poles, than with Arabs. Hell, there are differences in the mentalities and ways of behaving even between the people inside Europe! All this does not make it easier to create perspectives for the students at this school. Truth is, if oyu nail it down: many people do not want to give strnagers like them chances to settle down in Germany. They are not wanted. It is not fair to them, I agree. It also is not fair that our politicians push forward the idea to call in even more of them. And it is not fair towards Germans that they are told again and again that they have to want more of them. More and more Germans want NOT. since politicans have created a mess that only creates unfairness to all, why are politicians not sent to hell, simply?

I know that Germans are fleeing the city since the mid-90s. Due to mismanagement and a fincial scandal, the city has sensationally high debts that dooms it's politicians to be out of action for decades to come. Due to the evading Germans, ansd the incoming immigrants who do not propduce tax incomes like economical businessmen, but often hit the social budgets of the city, the finance of Berlin are in a very critical condition. Germans drive in to work there, but leave after work, and the surrounding area is another federal state than Berlin itself, so the city does need to pay them for their work, but does not get sufficient taxes, and thus: income for the city's treasurechest.

I know from ex-colleagues who are streetworkers that the situation cnstantly is detoriating, and since some time also is getting more and more dangerous with regard to physical violence. And pverty amongst children is exploding. statistically every 5th schoolchuldren under the age of 15 gets a hot meal only every 3rd day at home, since the parents do not have any money to pay for more. These kids depend on the meals being given by private charity projects. Of these there are not so much, private charity work has not that strong tradition in Germany and many other european countries like in anglosaxon countries. Nevertheless - Germany is considered to be one of the wealthiest nations on the globe.

This all reminds me very much of the very tensed and highly critical situation in suburbs of French major cities, namely Paris and Marseille. Only that due to the longer "preparation time" the pressure has had to mount upin Berlin, and several other German cities were this developing MCA stubbornly is ognored by sociologists and politicians (even is actively denied), maybe will lead to a far greater social explosion. And of course, lacking integration, lacking willingness to do so, lacking willingness of local resdients to accept a flood of foreoigners being rushed to their places, has something to do with it. But this unwelcomed truth is denied again these days by politicians.

The end of mutlicultural wischiwaschi-dreams. Quote: "Früher haben die Türken die Afrikaner gejagt. Jetzt jagen die Araber die Türken." (In the past the Turks hunted the Africans. Today the Arabs hunt the Turks).

The Berlin senate, in all his well-wishing and good intentions (what else!?) has decided to send two socialworkers to that school that are fluid in arabaic and Turkish language. Aren'T these kids not expected to speak German when having a German passport? Two socialworkers certainly will get under control what has been allowed since twenyt to go beyond control. Oh, and since today teachers enter and leave the shcool under police protection

Still wanting mutli-culti, and even more foreigners from Arabic, Turkish and Balkan regions? Na dann Prost, meine lieben weichgespülten Landsleute.

The events may be politically uncorrect, and may be ignored by planners and wishers and strategists in Brussel - but they are a hard, solid social reality on the ground. It does not go away just because some smart humansists want it to go away. I stays, and mounts in pressure and destructive energy.

And not only in Berlin, Germany.

03-30-06, 05:06 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	German school capitulates to ethnic violance ... but left and green politicians are already there again to declare that it all is not so bad. http://www.welt.de/data/2006/03/30/867413.html http://archiv.tagesspiegel.de/archiv...06/2443961.asp http://morgenpost.berlin1.de/content...ik/820170.html In Berlin, the first school in Germany has switched it's working conditions to red alert. Teachers got attacked, things get thrown at them, chairs and boxes get thrown out of windows, vandalism is considered to be "in", teachers only dare to enter classes with their handies ready to call for help. The scenes to be seen on TV were chaotic. Juveniles are short of attacking camera men. Private guards to protect the houses seem to be helpless - they tell people to go away, then retreat into the building and close and lock the doors. Only a handful of students in classes, druing hours, the rest on the street, fighting, or smoking, or hanging around. Violence and gang clashes are daily routine. The teachers have given up and demanded in an open letter that the schoold should be closed and disbanded. Berlin police said yesterday that at least thirty schools in Berlin are known centres for gang-buuilding and hotspots for recrutiing young ones for gangs and organized crime. Severe violence (physical, drugs, sexual attacks) are on the daily chart. First schools in Germany have started to separate students from different schools using the same schoolyard by high scurity fences - scenes like from a prison yard, but the aggression is just redirected, not controlled. Reports like these are circulating in German Tv since quite some time now. And always my impression was: I see a vast majority of non-German teens and juveniles, only a small number of Germans there. So far it was an subjective impression, and telling that loiud would have earned me an accusation of being a racist in Germany. since yesterday, official numbers had been published. In the example of the school in berlin, only 13% there are Germans, while 87% are foreigners. One third and one quarter are Albanians and Turks, then quite some others, 13% Germans - a minority. Germans a minority in a German school???. The school is located in a central sector of Berlin, Neukölln, with high crime and high unemployment: up to 45%. It is problematic ground. Part of the violence is due to the lack of perspectives. But the conflict also describes psychological realities. They do not want to be so much German as that they would be considered to be German. And Germans do not want so many strangers like the politicians are pushing in, which creates a growing unwillingness of Germans to give the strangers chances to integrate themselves. Russians and Poles have it easier, they are closer to our culture and habits, often have german roots in their families, try harder to adopt, to fit in, learn the language. Arabas, Truks and people from the Balkans, and muslims in general, are not perceived to be so close to us and our origins in history, traditon, culture. Which only is correct. It is a fact. We have far more in common with the Germans in Russia thta now are coming back, than with the for example Turkmen (originating from nothern Iran and Afghanistan). there are differences in general mentalities. It is easier for us to deal with german Russians and Poles, than with Arabs. Hell, there are differences in the mentalities and ways of behaving even between the people inside Europe! All this does not make it easier to create perspectives for the students at this school. Truth is, if oyu nail it down: many people do not want to give strnagers like them chances to settle down in Germany. They are not wanted. It is not fair to them, I agree. It also is not fair that our politicians push forward the idea to call in even more of them. And it is not fair towards Germans that they are told again and again that they have to want more of them. More and more Germans want NOT. since politicans have created a mess that only creates unfairness to all, why are politicians not sent to hell, simply? I know that Germans are fleeing the city since the mid-90s. Due to mismanagement and a fincial scandal, the city has sensationally high debts that dooms it's politicians to be out of action for decades to come. Due to the evading Germans, ansd the incoming immigrants who do not propduce tax incomes like economical businessmen, but often hit the social budgets of the city, the finance of Berlin are in a very critical condition. Germans drive in to work there, but leave after work, and the surrounding area is another federal state than Berlin itself, so the city does need to pay them for their work, but does not get sufficient taxes, and thus: income for the city's treasurechest. I know from ex-colleagues who are streetworkers that the situation cnstantly is detoriating, and since some time also is getting more and more dangerous with regard to physical violence. And pverty amongst children is exploding. statistically every 5th schoolchuldren under the age of 15 gets a hot meal only every 3rd day at home, since the parents do not have any money to pay for more. These kids depend on the meals being given by private charity projects. Of these there are not so much, private charity work has not that strong tradition in Germany and many other european countries like in anglosaxon countries. Nevertheless - Germany is considered to be one of the wealthiest nations on the globe. This all reminds me very much of the very tensed and highly critical situation in suburbs of French major cities, namely Paris and Marseille. Only that due to the longer "preparation time" the pressure has had to mount upin Berlin, and several other German cities were this developing MCA stubbornly is ognored by sociologists and politicians (even is actively denied), maybe will lead to a far greater social explosion. And of course, lacking integration, lacking willingness to do so, lacking willingness of local resdients to accept a flood of foreoigners being rushed to their places, has something to do with it. But this unwelcomed truth is denied again these days by politicians. The end of mutlicultural wischiwaschi-dreams. Quote: "Früher haben die Türken die Afrikaner gejagt. Jetzt jagen die Araber die Türken." (In the past the Turks hunted the Africans. Today the Arabs hunt the Turks). The Berlin senate, in all his well-wishing and good intentions (what else!?) has decided to send two socialworkers to that school that are fluid in arabaic and Turkish language. Aren'T these kids not expected to speak German when having a German passport? Two socialworkers certainly will get under control what has been allowed since twenyt to go beyond control. Oh, and since today teachers enter and leave the shcool under police protection Still wanting mutli-culti, and even more foreigners from Arabic, Turkish and Balkan regions? Na dann Prost, meine lieben weichgespülten Landsleute. The events may be politically uncorrect, and may be ignored by planners and wishers and strategists in Brussel - but they are a hard, solid social reality on the ground. It does not go away just because some smart humansists want it to go away. I stays, and mounts in pressure and destructive energy. And not only in Berlin, Germany. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.