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Originally Posted by MH
Nazi not Nazi blah blah lets leave it out....
If you take what Hitler said about communism then most western leaders during cold war had been nazzis , including the ones that wore hats and grew mustache.
Bottom line Sky....what do you want?
We all know there is a problem , Oberon too....he simply thinks everyone is out to nuke them all.
Now ... what do you want to be done about the issue?
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Sometimes people give me the impression that I am just about to post my very first post in this forum ever.
You guys complain if I repeat myself unasked. And when I do not repeat myself, you ask me for it. And then complain that I do it, and that it always is so long.
Haven't I already given many parts of that wanted answer in here? Haven't I...? And in other threads?
We must strop weaseling, and unconditionally demand and enforce compliance, and integration. Failing in any of these two, means being kicked out. We must insist on those staying here accepting critical self-reflection. We must stop voting for politicians that impose more and more Muslim migration onto us, and self-denying multiculturalism that comes at costs that always are our costs. We must not make "radical" (=real) Muslims feeling welcomed, and find motivations for them to stay- we must motivate them to leave, and where they violate our rules and values, like hate preachers, repeated criminal offenders, and members of known fanatical schools like in Germany the Salafists, we must throw them out, and never let them return . We must support those who want a critical self-anaylsis of Islam, and a critical examination of the violent, racist, intolerant and anti-feminist demands by Muhammad (of which there are quite some). We must drive out foreign Muslim institutions that foster recruiting and radicalisation of young Muslims, we must stop Muslim countries like turkey and Saudi arabia and Quatar financing their own institutions in our coutnries where they practice radicalization, recruiting, and motivating for supremacist ideology.
We must stop appeasing them, but confront them. We must end accepting special rights based on "religious reasons", and must stop accepting exceptions from the rules for religious reasons. We must enforce the abandoning of Shariah laws and courts, and the unconditional surrender of Muslim parallel justice that is now reality in almost every Western country and that erodes the validity of the laws of the state and the authority of the police and courts, fosters separatism and self-isolation, and establishes underground structures of power and influence directing Muslim communities on behalf of orthodox traditional rules and scripture.
And those who do not behave, and cost more than they pay in anyway, we must throw out. While not letting the likes of theirs in.
And then considering the implications of this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=254
And this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=243
And some others that I just do not care to all look up again. Finally consider the links that i provided, and realise that the consequences they point out, often are self-explanatory.
None of these things will be much liked, neither by many Muslims (although I knew quite some who fled to Europe and demand even stronger measures from us to counter Islamazation!!!), nor by Western appeasers or the crowd in Paris that now rallies again and yesterday held the jesuischarlie-posters, as if that would rewrite the holy book itself.
We must seek the conflict (hope that sounds provoking enough to even wake the sleepers in the last row...) that unavoidably will arise when Islam in the West will be forced to finally hold up a mirror and look into its own face. Then all the illusions Muslims have about their precious Muslim-being and the ideological fundament for that, will either explode, then we need to be strong enough to swallow that blow, or it will collapse - then they finally have the room to build something new in Islam's former place. For example a replacement for it that finally has arrived in the 21st instead of still living by the rules of the 7th. Something that can be seen as a parallel to what happened to the fundamentalist Christian sphere when it got hit by the enlightenment, and then some more.
And here is what we must not want:
We must not want to continue maintaining the illusion of no cultural conflict and everything being peaceful and okay at the cost of accepting stepping back step by step by step by step.
If it is not desirable to avoid a conflict, or cannot be avoided anyway, then it is wise to make sure that yiou dictate the codnitoions by which it runs: the when, the where, and the how. This is our homes, our place, and Islam wants all the world, in the end. If we do not even defend ourselves, our values and freedom, our historically grown identities - iuf we do not even defend these in our own homes - then there will be no other place where we would do it.
I want of that. I have seen a good part of the Islamic world. It was anything but pleasant. Trading our ways for theirs - is an extremely bad deal, I would say. Looses everything. Gains nothing.
Many of you think all this is too extreme. But I must tell you, the handful of Muslim critics in Germany that I have referred to in various posts on the board over the years, in parts hold even stricter, more determined views on what must be done in order to challenge "political Islam" or however you want to call it - and I talk about academically trained people, people who were raised as Muslims/Muslimas, who knew it from their own biography, from their own struggles, who hold academical grades in their professions dealing with it. If you think that I am too extreme - then I must tell you that you are too soft, and that you still have not understood what a biting angry beast you are dealing with when asking what to do about Islam. It is a beast, and not a friendly pet sitting on your lap, purring. Do not try to stroke it, it has never worked and it will never work.