[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by CCIP

And that right there is the problem, the insistence on dividing everything into "us and them", the "good guys vs. bad guys", "black and white". I have no sympathy and a lot of anger at the terrorists. I despise those who support them and argue for them, and I have a lot of ideological concerns, even with their religion. But you can't start dehumanizing and you can't rely on emotional language and bright examples to make arguments that boil down to, well, what do they boil down to? All I've done is extended the logical conclusion of "othering" arguments and their sociopolitical implications. At the very least, those need to be addressed. And when they're stated out in the open, I think I rightly abhor them.

I'm not opposed to hunting down and neutralizing actual terrorists, and I applaud the French police for doing so. I'm all for critically questioning and satirically testing religion and everything else. I unequivocally support actual victims of terrorism, and believe me, I've more than enough personal experience with them.

Good, I agree with you 100% I dont much like what is going on either.

There's a million logical and rhetorical fallacies in this argument, but the most prominent one is the one that I brought up a couple of days back in the "Stockhold Syndrome" thread - the fallacious and unfair claim to victimization and persecution. What gives with the siege mentality? Why are you speaking on behalf of the victims - real, imagined, or projected? A lot of this is vain, detached from reality, and politically exploitable to some very deplorable ends. At least earlier, someone was kind enough to explicitly state them.

Let me ask do you think I was claiming to be a victim or somehow implying we can all now claim to be victims? I'll admit an arguement could be made that I did not provide enough of my own personal thoughts as to why I did that, questions could have been asked, answers easily given. To be honest I simply posted it as food for thought, they were excerpts from several listed sources that indicated the Syndrome may not be linked soley to people in active hostage situations. But may also be a cause why some do nothing in other types of stressful events, that was my take on it. I never expected anyone would leap right in fangs out hair on fire and start diagnosing mental illness from behind a computer screen and quoting DSM Manual.

Again: I'm not defending terrorists and extremists and they can go to whatever version of hell their beliefs dictate. What I don't want to live in is a society with an "us vs. them" mentality that starts painting people in broad [whatever]-phobic strokes.

I never said you were defending anyone, I mentioned you were angry though. But arent we all.

And yes, to echo Steve, to say that to a member with nearly 10k posts and a history of being at least reasonable is a bit unfair and upsetting. I don't want to leave Subsim and I care a lot about the site and the community. I just really deplore what's being said here, and have every right to do so.

Well, to that I again say I apologize for my previous statement. I dont want you to go anywhere either.