[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Well, just look at the numbers of so called moderates that want to ban free speech against Muhammad and are OK for those that offend their religion to be killed.

Against a global population of 1.8bn how many Muslims have called for those who offend Islam to be killed? As with any religion, ideology or political group, the ones who speak the loudest get all the attention.

The only ones that can drive a true wedge are moderate Muslims, which mean they have to go to war in mass against radical, in principle and law. The fact is Islam run states won't do this.

Sadly you are correct, I think many Islam run states are scared of the changing of the status quo. There are moderates who want to change things, but they are...oddly enough, mostly in the west, where they can speak out about changing things without worrying about being arrested like the poor sods who put a youtube video of them dancing on the internet.
How much of this is politics and how much is religion is debatable, but the two do play a big part in it.

In nations like France large radical populations are growing,

Not just France, across Europe...and not just in Islam too, the rise of parties like the NF, the UKIP coalition with far-right Polish political groups and the ease in which Europeans heap all the ills of the world upon either illegal or legal immigrants and Muslims is rather disturbing and yet a strange sense of deja vu...

you have possible 1000's joining ISIS and other radical groups and they seem to have free roam back and forth....

That's the trouble with Europe, as you chaps in the States have found with Mexico...it's hard to maintain and defend a land border against people who are determined to leak through them.

It's eventually going to turn into a civil war or clash of civilizations. Radicals only want to grow and terror so much as they keep gaining power,

I think that clash has been happening since 2001 really, they bomb us, we get terrified of Muslims, which alienates more Muslims who go to the extremists who recruit these Muslims to bomb us, which makes us get terrified of Muslims...and so on and so forth.
People from both sides of the political spectrum then jump in to add their fuel to the fire, and stoke the flames even higher which just pushes more people into extremism, and so on and so forth.

but eventually we'll all be involved in another major ME war..

It is quite likely, I can't see this cycle breaking any time soon.

The only thing that can reform Islam is Islam....

This is true, and there are those who are trying, and in a way the actions of the extremists and our reactions will encourage them to try harder, but you can't turn a supertanker on a dime. I mean, look how long it took to reform Christianity. Our role, really, should be rather than to make the jobs of those trying to reform Islam harder by doing exactly what the extremists want (classify all Muslims as a threat), we should help the reformers by combatting the extremists without stooping to their level.