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Originally Posted by OneShot

Real:
- Keep the masts up for more then 30 seconds and you are probably toast (I think there is a reason why there is heavy emphasis on quick sweep training for sub skippers), because every platform with a capable Radar has got ya on screen. And given the statements from some former and current TACCOs, the P-3 Radar is perfectly capable of detecting a mast.

I'm sorry but masts are made in composite to AVOID, as long as possible, any detections.
So even IRL, you need to be close to the masts, and need lots of sweep to detect them.
Especially in high sea, where radars should probably be unable to detect anything like a mast from the sea clutter (I use a real radar on my boat and I can tell you on high sea it's a real mess to detect even sail boat with special radar return device -I don't know the english name sorry-)
Masts are also a very faint contacts compared to a ship of course ...

Originally Posted by OneShot

- Getting to the surface takes a bit more time and getting up on the sail definitly more then 2 seconds. Which means the Airborne Platform might have already targeted and fired at you some missile to end your fun.

Are you talking about patch 1.04 ?
With 1.03 and before, you need more than half a minute to come from PD to SAM depth.
This often lead to see an Orion going above you without beeing able to engage him, because it is too late.

Originally Posted by OneShot

- Even if you get a shot off in time, it might be possible to spoof the missile.

as it is in DW, with just releasing some flares ...
A friend of mine is a real expert at this thing : when he know he is in dangerous area, he often release falres and firing SAMs to him become really hard.

But IRL also, aircrafts will not have any detection device against a heat seeker, except on some very recent planes (I know french fighters only -not helos- have this now, I don't know for other countries).


Well I don't see the problem anyway
I learned to use RTE on aircrafts to AVOID to go in the dangerous area, after beeing burned quite a few times by SAM.

On helo, you have a dipping sonar, this allow you to detect the sub at much more than 3 times, the range of the SAM, (talking about LWAMI settings) and engage it in a total safe area for your plane.

So, what do you want exactly ? That subs become only a target without any possibilities to get out of your torps ?

I couldn't be agree with that, sorry !

Aircraft have plenty of means to engage subs without going in the dangerous 3 miles area of them.
I really find the actual situation even for both subs and aircrafts.
On MP matches, there is near 50% of kill beetween them, and I personnally don't want to change that.

Of course, if mast detection could be implemented, this should be nice.
But not what I read, because masts are something VERY difficult to detect.
The first detection device is sonar, not radars, against subs.