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Originally Posted by Catfish
Are you also speaking about the Ukraine ? 
or about Bavaria  |
Of course. What is valid for Peter, must also be valid for Paul.
And I said that before, repeatedly.
If the population in a given region does no longer wish to be part of a bigger union, they have any right there is to leave, they do not need the bigger union's permission. Permission by such a union a regional population only needs if it wants to JOIN it.
That'S why I accept the Crimean secession and its joining of Russia, the majority ratios amongst its population are quite clear.
And that's why I asked in the Ukraine thread after the 70 or 80% victory claimed by the separatists, how many people actually went to the polling stations. It seems less obvious at least that the separatists indeed gathered a majority of the provinces' population behind them. But that is the decisive criterion for me whether I accept their break-away from the Ukraine as legal and valid, or not.
Of course I also accept the population in the central and Western provinces to orientate themselves towards Europe, if that is what they want. I never refused them that reight. I only recalled that their move would necessarily trigger reactions from Russia since, both nation's interests were on a head-on confrontation there. That is what the crisis in the Ukraine flamed up over. Forming the Ukraine by the borders in which two different population groups with two such different interests were forced together, lies at the root of it all. The Ukraine never has existed in its post-USSR borders as a sovereign state before, and it never should have been formed in these borders at all. You may see why I argued in favour of a splitting of the Ukraine, therefore: keep apart what does not live well if forced together in the same cage.
That's why I accept the move by the Abchasians and Ossetians to reject Geogian rule over them, and their voluntary (!!) move to join Russia. Moscow did not manipulate them and had not to force them to accept Russian passports by the many many thousands - it was them bringing up that request first.
And that's why I would have accepted the Scotts leaving, or would accept Bavaria splitting away.
And that is why I do not accept the claimed "legality" of any law or constitution ruling that such attempts and desires are "invalid". Such a law is invalid from the moment on it is written, for it defies natural law.
So, you should (and could!) have known my reply in advance!
You are German, like me. They celebrate the wall's fall currently. The wall was built to prevent people fleeing the Eastern Republic, over two hundred people were killed by shots at the wall, tho9suands were thrown into prison, and were tortured. Germans should know before anyone else what it means if a state claims the right to prevent its people, its population from leaving, if they want.
And now you can imagine why I am so totally pissed by the GEZ's enforced head tax for the parties' brainwashing TV -
no matter whether you own a device to watch it, or not. That is like needing to pay for a book that you never have ordered, and would never order. You still have to pay for it. WT?