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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee
I remember seeing that Pitt's Sherman had a 76mm main armament. With Hyper Velocity Armor Piercing shells, I think it could take out many different kinds of armor. I saw that the original poster was not pleased about this.
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It was an improvement over the 75mm, granted.
But to assume and allege that the new m93 was the be all end all to successfully engaging and defeating Tiger and Panther Tanks, assuming that unless you faced the rear of the Tiger dead on and at close-ish range then this is just not so.
Also, limited production meant that the m93 was mainly fitted out on tank destroyers.
Not all or even the majority of Shermans had them.
Despite the upgrades, however, the armament of Sherman tanks were still far inferior to the Panther tanks' 75-millimeter gun, only effective against Panther tanks at close range, for example. I won't even mention the Tiger. Successfull at 500 mtrs, 122mm 76mm penetration glacis against Tiger tanks.
Which was adequate, but not optimal, fighting a Tiger at 500 mtrs. And not possible most times.
If you can get that close. Before being obliterated by the Tiger's 88m. 500mtrs is close range, by tank standards. Very close. Certainly compared to the Tiger's history of distance-related stats in combat. Optimal and proven at distances greater than 1300 mtrs and reports of kills at greater than 4klmtrs !
The Firefly's introduction (17 pdr) is where we would have started seeing some balanced and realistic combat against both the Tiger and the Panther.
It wasn't that i wasn't pleased about a Sherman engaging a Tiger (or 3).
If that was the case, i wouldn't have posted this thread.
I'll give you a hint as to 1 reason why i'm displeased.
Why is it that in the majority of Theaters of WW2 (certainly in the middle and latter stages of ww2) the Germans found themselves increasingly outnumbered by large ratios, yet in ww2 Bollywood movies they are represented as being in vast numbers, outnumbering the Allied force(s)?
In most cases?
Allied commanders thought it was acceptable to lose 4-5 of their own tanks in order to take out a Panther or Tiger by swarming them with superior numbers.
More garbage.
A study of US tank battles in Germany found that victory was generally ensured if allied tanks outnumbered their opponents 2.1:1.
These last points go towards the movie and how the battle was represented (amongst other things).
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Tiger vs Sherman: