Madrid let fall its mask. The high court, by demand of minister president Rajoy, declared bthe referandum as unconstitutional, claiming that the people ion one region have no right to decide over their fate if the Spanish people in other regions do not want to let them go.
Claims for possession for people are called slavery, and I call Madrid a dictatorship from no on, not difficult in claims to possess people and territory like Germany claimed against Poland.
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The right of self-determination in regard to the question of membership in a state thus means: whenever the inhabitants of a particular territory, whether it be a single village, a whole district, or a series of adjacent districts, make it known, by a freely conducted plebiscite, that they no longer wish to remain united to the state to which they belong at the time, but wish either to form an independent state or to attach themselves to some other state, their wishes are to be respected and complied with. This is the only feasible and effective way of preventing revolutions and civil and international wars.
To call this right of self-determination the "right of self-determination of nations" is to misunderstand it. It is not the right of self-determination of a delimited national unit, but the right of the inhabitants of every territory to decide on the state to which they wish to belong. This misunderstanding is even more grievous when the expression "self-determination of nations" is taken to mean that a national state has the right to detach and incorporate into itself against the will of the inhabitants parts of the nation that belong to the territory of another state. It is in terms of the right of self-determination of nations understood in this sense that the Italian Fascists seek to justify their demand that the canton Tessin and parts of other cantons be detached from Switzerland and united to Italy, even though the inhabitants of these cantons have no such desire. A similar position is taken by some of the advocates of Pan-Germanism in regard to German Switzerland and the Netherlands.
However, the right of self-determination of which we speak is not the right of self-determination of nations, but rather the right of self-determination of the inhabitants of every territory large enough to form an independent administrative unit. If it were in any way possible to grant this right of self-determination to every individual person, it would have to be done. This is impracticable only because of compelling technical considerations, which make it necessary that a region be governed as a single administrative unit and that the right of self-determination be restricted to the will of the majority of the inhabitants of areas large enough to count as territorial units in the administration of the country.
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I find it ironic that when I argued for zero state in other threads, I got accused of wanting to revive "nationalism" and "national states". That accusation simply is pointless.
The Calatonians should go ahead with their referendum, and when they get a solid majority for sovereignty and self-determination and have the economic means to afford that, they should boycott Madrid and send its occupiers over the border and back to Spain. I would only wish them that they do not get such a razorsharp outcome like in Scotland were in 20 people 11 were against and 9 were for independence. In principle, 11:9 is almost as good as a half-half result, isn't it.
"Democracy is when 51% of the people democratically decide to plunder the other 49%".
Oh, And Rajoy is morally wrong, and wrong from a libertarian perspective and from the point of view of natural law: the Spaniards outside Catalonia have no say at all in whether they have to let the Catalunians leave.
The Spaniards only necessarily have a say when a foreign region and its people asks them for permission to join them - not when a region wants to secede.