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ExFishermanBob · 09-10-14, 07:28 AM

Actually, I'd like to say that, even in the event of a YES vote, it need not be the end of the Union if people think creatively.

Remember that sovereignty business? That means that the current UK parties can still talk directly to the Scots and the latter can pause independence, with a majority vote, should they wish. The Scottish Government could do nothing to stop them.

Thinking about the current situation with the UK and the European Union, the UK gathers all its income and gives some to the EU (simple, I know) and agrees to be bound by some regulations, etc.

Well, a Scotland that gathered all of its income (rather than having it all taken and some given back) could do the same with the UK - a matter of definition, if you like. A reduced Westminster, sovereignty for all the UK nations, a parliament for England separate from Westminster. That can still be proposed even after a Yes. Sovereignty would also mean any unpleasant regulations from the EU could be overridden by a majority, etc., in any of the countries of the UK. Might satisfy Eurosceptics, that.

Good grief, the 3 leaders of the major parties are here in Scotland. So is QE2. What great serendipitous timing. If they really wanted change they could do so, in fact, they could come out having saved the union, Yes or No. Or more correctly, come out offering a new, looser, modern union, with a definition of "independence" acceptable to all.

Don't hold your breath. They could have offered something like that years ago.

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Actually, adding to that, we could even form an East India company for the oil, with the dividends paid in Sterling, divided amongst the countries in some way (paid directly). I don't think that Wales and NI are capable of supporting themselves, my apologies if I am wrong and this would allow them to be supported with a degree of independed income. That would stabilise Sterling quite nicely, even if Scotland later decided to go it alone, the company could still stand.

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ExFishermanBob Difficulties Numbing Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: AN19 Posts: 470 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Actually, I'd like to say that, even in the event of a YES vote, it need not be the end of the Union if people think creatively. Remember that sovereignty business? That means that the current UK parties can still talk directly to the Scots and the latter can pause independence, with a majority vote, should they wish. The Scottish Government could do nothing to stop them. Thinking about the current situation with the UK and the European Union, the UK gathers all its income and gives some to the EU (simple, I know) and agrees to be bound by some regulations, etc. Well, a Scotland that gathered all of its income (rather than having it all taken and some given back) could do the same with the UK - a matter of definition, if you like. A reduced Westminster, sovereignty for all the UK nations, a parliament for England separate from Westminster. That can still be proposed even after a Yes. Sovereignty would also mean any unpleasant regulations from the EU could be overridden by a majority, etc., in any of the countries of the UK. Might satisfy Eurosceptics, that. Good grief, the 3 leaders of the major parties are here in Scotland. So is QE2. What great serendipitous timing. If they really wanted change they could do so, in fact, they could come out having saved the union, Yes or No. Or more correctly, come out offering a new, looser, modern union, with a definition of "independence" acceptable to all. Don't hold your breath. They could have offered something like that years ago. --- Actually, adding to that, we could even form an East India company for the oil, with the dividends paid in Sterling, divided amongst the countries in some way (paid directly). I don't think that Wales and NI are capable of supporting themselves, my apologies if I am wrong and this would allow them to be supported with a degree of independed income. That would stabilise Sterling quite nicely, even if Scotland later decided to go it alone, the company could still stand.