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Catfish · 08-30-14, 04:45 PM

@Oberon^ I think you paint a picture of the cold war Russia, that was not anything like it is described in those books.

After 1989 the truth surfaced: Russia would never have attacked the West, so no Fulda gap and no other scenario. Indeed they were anxious about a western attack all the time. If you read US reports boasting about breaking russian territorial waters with their nukes all the time, they had a reason to be afraid.
Even their Alfas were there to attack a western invasion force, they had not enough endurance.
They could not keep up with the arms race, and their military hardware was mainly scrap. They have been in the defensive all along. Bitter to hear, especially for the western arms industry.

What picture is this industry painting now, about the evil Russians ?
And, what is more, why do they hate Russia so badly. Could it be the NATO desperately seeks a justification for its existence?
"Nothing personal, you are no commies anymore, but we HAVE to kill someone"?

@Skybird This is not about the EU. The EU surely is not what it could (and should) be, but to to parrot british paranoid right-wingers has only medieval merit. I also think even most of the most british right-wings will loathe anyone calling them "libertarian". I'm afraid you read too much of Ayn Rand without challenging her ideas. A notion that certainly is typical, for germans.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,820 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	@Oberon^ I think you paint a picture of the cold war Russia, that was not anything like it is described in those books. After 1989 the truth surfaced: Russia would never have attacked the West, so no Fulda gap and no other scenario. Indeed they were anxious about a western attack all the time. If you read US reports boasting about breaking russian territorial waters with their nukes all the time, they had a reason to be afraid. Even their Alfas were there to attack a western invasion force, they had not enough endurance. They could not keep up with the arms race, and their military hardware was mainly scrap. They have been in the defensive all along. Bitter to hear, especially for the western arms industry. What picture is this industry painting now, about the evil Russians ? And, what is more, why do they hate Russia so badly. Could it be the NATO desperately seeks a justification for its existence? "Nothing personal, you are no commies anymore, but we HAVE to kill someone"? @Skybird This is not about the EU. The EU surely is not what it could (and should) be, but to to parrot british paranoid right-wingers has only medieval merit. I also think even most of the most british right-wings will loathe anyone calling them "libertarian". I'm afraid you read too much of Ayn Rand without challenging her ideas. A notion that certainly is typical, for germans.