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Catfish · 08-30-14, 02:02 PM

Sometimes, when i look at the leaders of nations, i think i am surrounded by lunatics.

France and Germany are the driving force of Europe, and its economy. France is ruining itself with M. Hollande, but no one seems to care.

Still those two countries are the driving force of a unified Europe, that Mr. Cameron in London sure would like to revert.

For all i care let England finally leave the EU, they have always hindered, breaked, delayed and sabotaged. They do not want a Europe. They ignore that they are economically dependent, and they do not see that the rest of the region is a bit concerned about how they behave. But wth let them GO.

We could already have a common european defence system, exceeding this so-called Weimar triangle consisting of France, Poland and Germany, but unfortunately Britain is only aligned with the USA.

It is a bit short-sighted to blame the lack of a decent plan for the Ukraine crisis or others, on the continental Europe, when the biggest accuser on its isle has done all he could to undemine and destroy any constructive build-up since decades.

And have you all missed to see what this ukrainian Jazenjuk was about?
He had no legitimation at all when he asked for an ukrainian entry, into the NATO. It was the worst hypocrisy of the West, to support just of all him !

Jaszenuk is a man of the US secret service, in a way the CIA in person. There is so much targeted desinformation, unfortunately being parroted in the german media. All anchormen are members of the "Transatlantikbruecke" with their "young leaders", in bed with the US of course.
There is never a hint that the ukrainian regime was being led by the USA all the time.

Civilian flight MH 17 was shot down by an ukrainian pilot, but it did not help Russia.
http://my.firedoglake.com/ohiogringo...-flight-mh-17/
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/...ound-shot.html
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Fir...40731-170.html
http://www.anderweltonline.com/wisse...alaysian-mh17/

From one of the links:
"If this is true, and it may well be, it would seem that the fascistic government in Kiev, installed by a coup backed by both Washington and Berlin, was so desperate for military support from the West that it murdered an airliner full of innocent neutrals in order to paint the Russians as really, Really BAD PEOPLE. It doesn’t really matter whose idea it was or, at this point, even if it was a mistake. That’s how the whole incident has been spun.
Well, one thing’s for sure. The current regime in Kiev really, really doesn’t deserve my, your, or anyone else’s support."

What should Putin do ? He is basically in a defensive position, no joke.

Also Russia should be regarded as a whole, not only its european part.
Putin's planned Eurasian unification could have been a competition to the US, but it was initially planned to politically consolidate Asia. When Afghanistan falls to the Taliban, this uprise can easily spark similar protests in Usbekistan, Tshadchikistan and the other former soviet republics.

Russia does not want to be elbowed out of Europe because of the Ukraine, which was exactly what we/the west promised them, after 1989.
Only that we broke our promise

And, b.t.w., the Ukraine is no real nation. The outline of the Ukraine has been created on a drawing table in 1917, by the german general staff.
Sharp tongues say the Ukraine was a german idea, to weaken Russia. And it will not forget that, not even if the CIA installs itself personally, in Kiew.

Also b.t.w.: No evidence for russian interference in the Ukraine:
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrich...n-die-ukraine/

But just of all western war mongers and hawks are at it, again.

08-30-14, 02:02 PM	#1353
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,819 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Sometimes, when i look at the leaders of nations, i think i am surrounded by lunatics. France and Germany are the driving force of Europe, and its economy. France is ruining itself with M. Hollande, but no one seems to care. Still those two countries are the driving force of a unified Europe, that Mr. Cameron in London sure would like to revert. For all i care let England finally leave the EU, they have always hindered, breaked, delayed and sabotaged. They do not want a Europe. They ignore that they are economically dependent, and they do not see that the rest of the region is a bit concerned about how they behave. But wth let them GO. We could already have a common european defence system, exceeding this so-called Weimar triangle consisting of France, Poland and Germany, but unfortunately Britain is only aligned with the USA. It is a bit short-sighted to blame the lack of a decent plan for the Ukraine crisis or others, on the continental Europe, when the biggest accuser on its isle has done all he could to undemine and destroy any constructive build-up since decades. And have you all missed to see what this ukrainian Jazenjuk was about? He had no legitimation at all when he asked for an ukrainian entry, into the NATO. It was the worst hypocrisy of the West, to support just of all him ! Jaszenuk is a man of the US secret service, in a way the CIA in person. There is so much targeted desinformation, unfortunately being parroted in the german media. All anchormen are members of the "Transatlantikbruecke" with their "young leaders", in bed with the US of course. There is never a hint that the ukrainian regime was being led by the USA all the time. Civilian flight MH 17 was shot down by an ukrainian pilot, but it did not help Russia. http://my.firedoglake.com/ohiogringo...-flight-mh-17/ http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/...ound-shot.html http://www.opednews.com/articles/Fir...40731-170.html http://www.anderweltonline.com/wisse...alaysian-mh17/ From one of the links: "If this is true, and it may well be, it would seem that the fascistic government in Kiev, installed by a coup backed by both Washington and Berlin, was so desperate for military support from the West that it murdered an airliner full of innocent neutrals in order to paint the Russians as really, Really BAD PEOPLE. It doesn’t really matter whose idea it was or, at this point, even if it was a mistake. That’s how the whole incident has been spun. Well, one thing’s for sure. The current regime in Kiev really, really doesn’t deserve my, your, or anyone else’s support." What should Putin do ? He is basically in a defensive position, no joke. Also Russia should be regarded as a whole, not only its european part. Putin's planned Eurasian unification could have been a competition to the US, but it was initially planned to politically consolidate Asia. When Afghanistan falls to the Taliban, this uprise can easily spark similar protests in Usbekistan, Tshadchikistan and the other former soviet republics. Russia does not want to be elbowed out of Europe because of the Ukraine, which was exactly what we/the west promised them, after 1989. Only that we broke our promise And, b.t.w., the Ukraine is no real nation. The outline of the Ukraine has been created on a drawing table in 1917, by the german general staff. Sharp tongues say the Ukraine was a german idea, to weaken Russia. And it will not forget that, not even if the CIA installs itself personally, in Kiew. Also b.t.w.: No evidence for russian interference in the Ukraine: http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrich...n-die-ukraine/ But just of all western war mongers and hawks are at it, again. Last edited by Catfish; 08-30-14 at 02:47 PM.