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Skybird · 08-29-14, 05:37 AM

Prime minister Yatsenyuk hs asked parliament to support the Ukraine appealling for becoming a NATO member.

Assuming that the parliament will follow, this will increase the probability for the Ukraine being split. Russia will increase its engagement regarding whatever it wants to achieve.

NATO would be ill-advised to accept such a call under such conditions. It already has costed the EU dearly to accept members who did not bring their things in order before, but wanted the EU to do (and pay for) this.

Several NATO members also are critical of a NATO membership of the ukraine in general, namely Germany. Its no good idea to allow a war formally becoming member of NATO and by that allowing NATO being pulled into war.

Regarding the long.term outlook of Ukraine turning NATO, I can only remind of that the (US_supported) reviving of efforts to bring the Ukraine into the EU and NATO last autumn has just triggered the drastic change in Russian policy and its de facto intervention. Washington always wanted that, to tighten its cordon around Russia even more.

And the Europeans must become aware of that they will have to pay the price for Washington'S polltical paradim on Russia - not the US. Our economy is affected several times as hard than the American, we live closer to Russia than America doers, and it is Europe depending on russian gas - and will, for the forseeable future - not America. Its easy for Obama to call for altogether going in sanctions, like he just did, and with great non-chalance claiming that if that means more problems for Europe'S economy, than Europe just has to face that, period. A weakening of Europe'S economy is in the interest of the American dollar-regime and many American hedge fonds betting against the Euro (currently more than 180 billion from hedge fonds are bet on the collapse of the Eurozone) and the American economy - especially those parts of it that are no longer competitive.

I can only hope that American demands over all this will get blocked by the West-European NATO members, and that the East-European members find no majority for their support of America's view on things.

As said before, the consequence NATO must draw is to beef up its military capacity in the Eastern member states of NATO.

If that is too expensive in today's fiscal troubles (the mean level of Western states' debts now is 40% above the status of before 2007's outbreak of symptoms for the fiscal cataclysm looming, so nobody should say that anything has been learned and that we are better prepared now) - how could one find it a good idea then to accept the fiscal troubles from allowing the ukrainian war into the EU and NATO?

08-29-14, 05:37 AM	#1311
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,833 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Prime minister Yatsenyuk hs asked parliament to support the Ukraine appealling for becoming a NATO member. Assuming that the parliament will follow, this will increase the probability for the Ukraine being split. Russia will increase its engagement regarding whatever it wants to achieve. NATO would be ill-advised to accept such a call under such conditions. It already has costed the EU dearly to accept members who did not bring their things in order before, but wanted the EU to do (and pay for) this. Several NATO members also are critical of a NATO membership of the ukraine in general, namely Germany. Its no good idea to allow a war formally becoming member of NATO and by that allowing NATO being pulled into war. Regarding the long.term outlook of Ukraine turning NATO, I can only remind of that the (US_supported) reviving of efforts to bring the Ukraine into the EU and NATO last autumn has just triggered the drastic change in Russian policy and its de facto intervention. Washington always wanted that, to tighten its cordon around Russia even more. And the Europeans must become aware of that they will have to pay the price for Washington'S polltical paradim on Russia - not the US. Our economy is affected several times as hard than the American, we live closer to Russia than America doers, and it is Europe depending on russian gas - and will, for the forseeable future - not America. Its easy for Obama to call for altogether going in sanctions, like he just did, and with great non-chalance claiming that if that means more problems for Europe'S economy, than Europe just has to face that, period. A weakening of Europe'S economy is in the interest of the American dollar-regime and many American hedge fonds betting against the Euro (currently more than 180 billion from hedge fonds are bet on the collapse of the Eurozone) and the American economy - especially those parts of it that are no longer competitive. I can only hope that American demands over all this will get blocked by the West-European NATO members, and that the East-European members find no majority for their support of America's view on things. As said before, the consequence NATO must draw is to beef up its military capacity in the Eastern member states of NATO. If that is too expensive in today's fiscal troubles (the mean level of Western states' debts now is 40% above the status of before 2007's outbreak of symptoms for the fiscal cataclysm looming, so nobody should say that anything has been learned and that we are better prepared now) - how could one find it a good idea then to accept the fiscal troubles from allowing the ukrainian war into the EU and NATO? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.