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Old 07-10-14, 01:12 PM   #33
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I'm not sure I understand your question, so my response may be totally wrong. Obviously, the culture and identity of a country is determined by its people. Since its founding, the US has been basically a Euro-derived people. As it stands, the US is quickly on its way to becoming a Hispanic nation. Is that bad? Is it good? Is it immaterial? Well, consider this: the people who are illegally entering the country are coming from countries where Hispanics are the majority, where they have their own government and culture, and they are leaving en masse. So, when the US becomes Mexico II, think it will be any better over the long term?
That would make sense if Hispanics were not defined as deriving from Hispania which is of course in Europe.

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You just prove my point. Tito failed. He did not delete the underlying identities, he tried, and he couldn't. After Tito was gone, they broke their way once again.

Or look at the Ukrainian conflict - the same. Stalin moved people by the millions. Millions died, huge resettlement projects throughout the Soviet Union. Suppression of Muslim republics in the south. Then, the USSR gone - and eruption of multiple conflicts.

Look at the artificial border-drawing by Western imperialists in the ME, the states formed that way, where beliefs and tribes got stuffed together that do not go well together. The whole region is a powderkeg. You remove the dictator that held the lid on the kettle by raw power - and the thing exploded imemdiately.

Look at the 70 years of sleeping of Islam in Turkey, where Attaturk tried to overcome traditional Islam and form a modern, Western society. Erdioghan took less than one decade to end that experiment and reverse it. Turkey is on its way back into the pre-Attaturk era. Conservative Islam was never gone - it was suppressed, so it pulled back and rested some decades, and now its back in full force.

You cannot change historically grown identities of regions and people by power and force and pressure.

The EU doing it now - it will terribly backfire one day. If you think the days of war are over in Europe, then you are wrong.
Whereas that makes no sense.
What you ascribe as a problem of federated super states like the applies equally to nation states of all sizes, extends to county city and town level and even fits little villages or tiny hamlets
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