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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo
That depends. I know what my relationship with the Almighty has taught me. However, personal experience that is "proof" to me can be mere happenstance to you. That doesn't make my knowledge any less valid - to me. But because we are talking a personal belief/view - there is no way that I can expect you to accept my facts, since you didn't "live" them. This is where many so called Christians go wrong - they can not see that what is a personal fact means little to nothing to someone else.
I know what I know.
You know what you know.
Neither of us knows everything.
So I am fine with you accepting things as fact or not based on your own criteria. I don't believe science can prove God, though it can be used to indicate the existence of God. God, being infinite, can not be measured, therefore I don't see God as ever being "provable" to science. (I know, many scientists do right that, claiming to have found the ultimate "facts", but the science business is a business and is much about career and money and prestige and so got corrupted like so many other originally good things today as well). That is why any belief in a "higher power" is based on faith. Faith is what makes a belief into fact - though it only does so for the person who believes. To many try to claim personal facts as global facts, and thus browbeat others into their way of religious thinking.
Do I know God exists? Yes. But that is a personal fact - because I can't prove it to anyone. I can relate my reasons for believing it is fact, but unless you have your own reasons to believe, you won't see it as fact. I understand that. Too many who attempt to convert others don't get that. We can share the "good news" - but we aren't supposed to try and force you to believe it. Something Islam should also learn.
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The simple fact is you know nothing. And that you mistake belief with knowledge. And that you want to have belief being lifted to the same level of authority and respectability, as knowledge.
In other words: the corruption of knowledge.
Science, if followed by its real meaning and run in a serious manner, will NEVER claim to have found the ultimate, the final, the utmost "truth". Science knows that it creates artificial orders, thought out by man, in which the objects of its observations get arranged according to man's will, in a way that they make most possible sense to man at the given time, allowing him to make his course-plotting through life and universe easier. These theories change, necessarily, therefore. It's always religions who claim to possess the final, the total, the absolute truth - and never giving any hint or evidence for that claim.
Believing is not knowing. You can avoid that as much as you want, it remains to be true. Usually I would not care at all, if only you would not discredit reason and knowledge by your queer distorting of terms.