I assume the quotes, like many, were not said by the people they are attributed to, but falsely claimed by someone somewhere to give weight to an argument, and then embraced by everybody who liked the quotes and wanted to believe them. I say nothing about Jimbuna's many Churchill "quotes" in the Favorite Quotes thread, but you can bet that if he used one of them to prove a point I'd be all over him too.
Meanwhile, I apologize for diverting from your original point, which is the failure of Democracy. I disagree with you, but it's a good point of discussion.
