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Originally Posted by Skybird

To me you sound confused there,

I'm confused alot.

To me, as I explained both terms, spirituality and religiosity are mutually exclusive. You cannot be religious AND spiritual at the same time.

I'm sorry but that is just not true. Of course, your definition of a religious person and mine or anyones for that matter may vary greatly. Perhaps you should start by giving your definition of one. My definition would be a person who seeks to serve both God and his fellow humans without reservation. It is commonly called 'practicing' your religion. In Christianity it is even more sharply defined. Serve God and others even to the detriment of your own well being. I'm not one of those people but I know some. If you had the nerve to ask these people if they considered themselves 'spiritual' I think you would be insulting them.

The more spiritual you are, the more you are a heretic to religious dogmas.

Religious dogma, yes. Religion as a practice and lifestyle, no.

The more religious and believing you are, the less you want to know yourself by own experience, the less spiritual you are.

Not so in the strictest sense. In fact any study of Christianity, and my own experience is the exact opposite. The whole idea is to find out who you are and why you are here. The religious/spiritual quest is based on knowledge, acquired both by learning and experience. The fact is the term 'spiritual' is almost meaningless today. Every rock star, actor and teenage girl claims to be 'spiritual'.

You cannot be both. Hence my statement that science and spirituality can come together,

The world is full of people who believe this and some of them have some very strange beliefs.

but not science and religion

The scientists you refer to, I also divide into two groups. There are those religious scientist, and since they are religious, they try to put faith and belief beside knowledge, reason and scientific methodology - corrupting all the three latter that way.

The scientists I was referring to do not belong in that group. A quick search shows an extensive list of people who had/have faith and do not let that faith interfere with the scientific process. Some have won Nobel prizes in their chosen fields. I know the group you are referring to but I wasn't.

So let's keep the reason and logic of the scientific mind and religion separate, therefore, for the first is the natural enemy to disclose the irrationality in the latter - something which the latter never will forgive the first.

I would rephrase that ...So let's keep the reason and logic of the scientific mind and religious dogma separate...,

There is a difference, a huge difference.