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Originally Posted by Oberon
Probably got bored of banging their heads against the brick wall and left. Or perhaps they don't see this thread as an ample opportunity to bash Obama and perhaps see it as a discussion on the crisis in the Ukraine and not one on American politics. 
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Ukraine is an issue that is burning on Europe's doorstep, not Americas. And that is why we should resist American demands to push the Russians, because the first and direct consequences will hit us, not the Americans, and it will be us paying most of the price, not the Americans. The US does not compare to the trade ammounts we do, especially us Germans, with Russia. The US will not be directly affected as long as the Russians do not unleash a war against the dollar and US bonds - which they are capable of, I think. Even more, it may be in American interest to stirr a conflict between Russia and Europe, it may increase chances for US energy companies that sympathise with the idea to build huge terminals for shipping gas to Europe - at much higher cost for Europe, of course (shipping gas by ship is much more expensive than via pipeline) and leading europe from dependence from Russia into dependence from America.
Diversification is in Europe's interest here. And probably a return (in Germany) to nuclear energy. Well, tell that a romantic German. You'll get chased through the streets in no time. We want our energy instabile, insecure, and expensive!

Deindustrialization is the ordinary German's motto - in full ignorance of our export and financial realities. We compensate the cutting of scientific classes at school with anti-aggression trainings, classes in tolerance, and courses in creative dancing. No joke, its reality in more and more schools over here.
Infantiler Affentanz, das alles.