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Originally Posted by TarJak
So you're either unaware of or ignoring the pogroms and the Spanish Inquisition all actions initiated in the name of Christianity and with death tolls far in excess anything Islamic.
Can you quote numbers to substantiate your take to the bank claim?
Or are you only talking about modern history in which case you may not have heard of the past two centuries of European warfare which was in part religiously motivated particularly that little scrap we call WW2. Or the 400 odd intervening years of interdenominational warfare.
Don't get me started on Iraq or Afghanistan...
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Originally Posted by Oberon
The Thirty Years War and the French Wars of Religion called, they would like a word...
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I'm aware of the Spanish Inquisition and Louis XIV-esque religious wars. When the last of the Papal States fell in the latter part of the 19th century, that pretty much brought an end to the era of religious statehood and expansion in Europe, combined with the HRE going away.
With respect, mate, you're missing what I'm saying. Note I pointed out that Christian religious aggression petered out over the successive centuries to now, particularly after the New World took shape, where's it's almost non-existent. As opposed to Islam, which has always spread like a cancer. What I'm getting at is that (the vast, vast majority of) Christians no longer force their beliefs on others, let alone butcher those that are of different mindsets. A lot moreso in first world countries, than third world countries where pretty much anything goes anyhow.
I've SERVED in Iraq (with some Aussies I might add, swell fellows!
), so again I've seen it with my own eyes. Islam is severely intolerant of Christians hence why Chaldeans and coptic Christians have been persecuted and killed for hundreds of years (See current conflicts in Libya, Egypt, and Syria). Conflicts such as the situation in Ireland/Northern Ireland began as mostly a religious conflict, but over the decades it's morphed into a national pride struggle and religion is an afterthought.
You didn't see Christians stringing people up on crosses like the Ottomans did to the Orthodox Armenians in the beginning of the 20th century. Ataturk wanted a western, secularized albeit still Muslim Turkish society, and that's what he succeeded in doing, up until now with Erdogan and others starting to more and more embrace traditionalist Islam stance and that's not good news.
WW1 was a powderkeg because why? Christian/Muslim relations in addition to other localized issues which culminated in the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. WW2's origins had nothing to do with religion, so I'm not certain where you're getting that from.
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
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Okay? Comparing a third world, semi-civilized, chaotic country like that to places such as the US, Britain, Australia....these people would never do anything like that anymore. That stuff went away generations ago.
But, things like THIS disturb me...and reinforce my earlier point. Islam is a cancer, and an idealogy stuck in the 7th century whereas Christianity and Judaism have all evolved and continue to evolve with time.
I'll just leave this here...