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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

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Nope: private security can do it all in a given locale; the private security at the library issues parking tickets after two hours for example...

Originally Posted by August

Well so do I. What I meant was do they have the power to arrest or detain a person.

Yes but only as a citizen making a lawful witnessed-act arrest; not as peace officer who may act based on suspicion alone.

Originally Posted by Wolferz

I think I'd sell the house and move after painting the place a gawd awful shade of color.

BLACK will do nicely, including the windows...really lowers surrounding curb appeal in da' hood too...that's why the CC&R's restrict colors exterior of HOA's!

Originally Posted by Neptunus Rex

If the "State Actor" rule does not apply, then the requirement to stop when indicated by the flashing lights or flashing of badge does not apply either nor can resisting arrest charges be made as the guard has no arrest powers. Nor can they detain you. Of course if your stupid enough to live within an HOR....

Not so. As a Federal contract private guard where full police P.O.S.T. (police officer standards and training) certification is required at Federal housing projects and at a converted Air Base in the Bay area; The private unsworn security has full or as much police powers as the contracting authority wishes to grant...on the client's property. At one point I had pulled over an obviously intoxicated driver on the base while in my Navy police marked vehical. He protested that he was a NAVY Captain and not subject to a private security guard. NO PROBLEMO SIR! I obligingly only detained him, summoned the local city police, who then formally arrested him for DUI. He then also went before "Captain's Mast" with the base commander...and opted for retirement for conduct unbefitting an 'officer and gentleman serving at the pleasure of the Commander in Chief'. The key is not to exceed force (incl. deadly) necessary to do what any citizen with arrest powers can do subject to a criminal or civil suit...a-la the Zimmermann matter in Florida in his HOA community. A Federal Housing project is ten times worse..it ain't gated; It be locked down...every night in da 'hood!