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Originally Posted by Stealhead
Even though this kind of thing does happen I really do not feel that law enforcement is out of control in the US.You can d and say things to cops here and 99% of the time have no fear.
For example one can choose to be fairly hostile in attitude and even disrespectful and nothing will happen to them.In many nations this is not the case at all.
I recall back in high school we had this exchange student from Brazil and a group us went to a movie one Friday night and he came along.We the theater was attached to a mall and there was a police officer there kind of a chubby fellow as well. Anyway a few people where openly making fun of him calling him "fat piggy" stuff like and unless he was deaf he could hear what they said.anyway the cop did not do anything.The kid from Brazil was shocked at how the cop reacted in Brazil you would never dare insult a cop in anyway.
Yeah there are abuses here and there but by and large in the US the police give people plenty of leeway.I think when you have incidents with cops that push it too far the higher ups can be blamed that particular precinct or perhaps entire department most likely has poor over sight and poor leadership that allows people to go too far.
Maybe I am just lucky(sarcastic intent here) I have only had one non traffic ticket type encounter with the law in the civilian world.And my attitude during the encounter was certainty not a "I will do what ever you say sir" at the same time I was not "asking for trouble" either I respectfully stood my ground as to the situation which was an attempt by one of the cops to nab me for public intoxication/open container he got me for neither because I did not allow him the opportunity to and he knew that i was not drunk and the OC hit was bogus at a tailgate party where there are 25,000 other people doing the same thing.The way I see it is that you have no idea what kind a cop/s you are dealing with are they the reasonable ones or are they the hall monitor types? You have no idea so best to proceed with caution and not give them any reason to come at you.Speak softly and carry a big stick if they violate your rights let them know when you slap the law suit against them not before hand because the authority abuser will butt heads with.
Not saying that the guy in this incident did anything to deserve all of the probing so far as the story has been laid out.
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Well, we have the first amendment and unless behavior is coming to the point of violating statutes concerning disorderly conduct, not much they can do legally.Still not smart to just randomly heckle a cop, they can arrest you for whatever, probably beat the rap but can't beat the ride as they say.
Police culture is out of control though, I guess since I saw the inside, I became friends, good friends with several cops, actually managed to date the one good looking female cop I ever saw around there lol, which had it's perks. Anyways, most are good people doing a job, which can be tough but the prevailing culture is one of "us vs them" which explains why incidents of misconduct and brutality are not really rare.Common thing that occurs is cops lie to suspects during investigations etc.Most common one I noticed is on DUI cases, suspects will be hesitant to perform sobriety tests, especially the breathalyzer, which is just helping the government convict them if they do.However, saw many cops tell them "Well things will go easier if you cooperate" or "well you license will be suspended" and heard many people tell me that story and I just cringe since if convicted will lose your license anyways, why help them convict you? Always tell my friends, politely refuse all sobriety tests, unless they have a video of you falling down drunk, much easier to win the case at trial if they even go to trial and don't drop it or offer a softball plea.I have seen people who I could tell were drunk, beat it at trial, 2 am, they were sleepy etc, it works but with scientific proof like a breathalyzer, you are screwed.Also, the old routine where cops lie and get people to incriminate themselves, tell them someone turned on then, they have this evidence etc when they don't.Yes, that is why have right to remain silent but most people don't full get this, don't think a cop can lie to them.These kind of tactics are wrong and should not be allowed but it's a cop thing that is repeated throughout the country.
Local Police and Sheriff's though are no where near as out of countrol as Federal Law Enforcement, FBI and DHS are modern day Gestapo and SS, they absolutely need to be curtailed.