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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

That is in part but many were already on medicaid for free.

Good point. I forgot about medicaid.

The other aspect is the folks with pre-existing conditions. There will be a huge influx of people being able to get treatment. Many of these will be highly subsidized. The only way to afford this is jack up premiums and get the healthy young enrolled....PLUS....see to it that thousands get canceled for sub par insurance as dictated by the ACA. This forces higher premiums.

Which means we are paying for it just the same.

So yeah, you can't keep that plan you like. The fix is in. America is just starting to smell the coffee. Where are all the cheerleaders we had in the original Obamacare thread?

You mean Obama lied? Shocker.


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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't know, I have discussions with people in GT and in real life and we don't agree a lot of the time. I can handle that. Some people cannot.

Personally, I draw a distinct line between Internet, and real life. When discussing anything in real life, you have facial expressions, tones of voice, and body language. In real life, there are two topics i tend to avoid. Politics and religion. Which isn't to say I haven't discussed them in real life, i just try not do. More often then not, you know just how far to discuss it, when to let it go, and when to just disagree. Because the person your talking to is right there in front of you, and personally I don't discuss much with someone I don't already know, and no we don't always agree.

Internet is different in my book. You have NONE of what I described above. So i'll call it like i see it, because theres not much else to go on; and truthfully, I don't have much desire or patience to argue anything on any forum for very long. If you let yourself go at it too long, you end up wasting A LOT of time, writing a bunch of crap aimed at someone you really don't even know, have never met, and in reality, could probably give two cents about. In fact, you don't even know their name. All for what? Getting the last word in? Stoking ones own ego? It can almost be likened to intellectual masturbation. I tend to keep my posts short for this reason, and I skim or gloss over stunningly long walls of text, also for this reason.

Arguing on the internet. I'm just not really into it anymore, so I don't put much time in it. Getting the last word in, will net me nothing but wasted time. Just my nickles worth on that subject.