[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Exactly. If you do the wrong thing thirty years ago you lose the right to do anything now.

For the eighth time - that's a moronic argument.

The Japanese claim to have worked up their past role in WWII is intentionally doubted, for they deny certain crimes their troops committed until today, hide them, ignore them, or relabel them as something positive, from mass killings in conquered territories to massraping women.

America until today poses as the moral messiah and loses no word about its active assisting of gassing the Iranians. Not the ideal moral position to start a moral lecture from.

And there are other such stories. The funding of contras by selling drugs to the blacks in America back then. The lies of 2003. And we do not know how many other black ops that no doubt took place. Not to mention the active funding of regimes that finances terrorism, like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

As long as these things are still done, and done acts are not openly admitted and worked up, America has no credible moral position to argue from.

And argument that I already made ten years ago in the forum war about the Iraq war. Obama's moral credibility is in shambles. He is about limiting the damage to himself. And that is the only real imperative of American "policy" now. He shouldn't have taken his mouth that full last year. What he is about to do now, is giving support to terrorists, radical fanatics and right those people that America claims to wage a war against, this ominous war on terror, and who themselves represent groups and parties that on their behalf also have declared they see themselves at war with America.

And the real reason why we are here today, right at this point, so far has not even been mentioned in this 900+ postings long thread. If the West would not have encouraged the Arab "spring" and the Syrian uprise as well, and would not have silently supported the opposition with money that was channeled to them via dark channels, the uprise would have come to an end after some months at the latest, and the war since long would be over already, and many people would still be alive, and AQ and other radicals and fundamentalists would have no foothold in syria, and Iran and Hezbollah likely would not have risen their profile in syria that much, too. Syria would not have been any more democratic, but that is unimportant. More important would have been that it still would have been stable, predictable, and AQ and radical djihadists having no strong platform there.

It was idiotic and reality-denying wishful thinking and daydreaming by Western escapists who enabled this conflict to go for so long and lasting until today.

But of course, we have had good intentions. We only meant it oh so well, didn't we. We had hopes. We supported democracy.

Write all these precious excuses on a leafs of paper and sell it as toilet paper. Wiping anuses at least is more a useful purpose than all this wonderfully working diplomacy and fantasizing and reality-denying and hiding one's own share of moral guilt. It's not too long ago when Assad still was a darling when it came to selling him the ingredients for the weapons one now is complaining about. After all, money does not stink.