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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo
You see Bubblehead - this is where you have a little considering to do. Those who blindly support the "dear leader" don't care about the truth. No amount of reality is going to change their minds. Yell it from the mountaintops, they will simply cover their ears. The tone you use doesn't matter - to them.
Where it does matter - is to those on the fence. When you have an honest debate, instead of simply spew "dislike" or talking points that can be proven skewed or inaccurate - you turn those people on the fence, away from your side. The moment you resort to stretching the truth when the truth is evident if one merely glances at it - or the moment you start something out with vitriol - you become just one more yelling voice in the sea of yelling voices. Some pro, some con - but all just a big overlapping noise that convinces no one.
On the other hand, if you make a reasoned, fact based argument, you have a good shot at winning the day for your viewpoint. To paraphrase Rush Limbaugh - "Liberals can not win in the arena of ideas". Because of this, they yell and scream and insult and lie (No - not all of them - but the ones that get the media attention). They know they can't win in the arena of ideas or of truth, so they distract and count on volume instead of accuracy. When you resort to the same type of tactics - you end up getting discounted right along with rest.
It is folks (of either political "stripe") that can - either consistently or even occasionally - come to the arena of ideas (and truth) and argue their points and perspectives with reason and dignity - that not only win the day, but often find very common ground with their opponents. In those cases, it is surprising how often real solutions can be created. You also might learn that some on the "other side" are not so bad. For example, Mookie and I disagree on a LOT of things, but I have found that we usually are not nearly as far apart as one might imagine... Volume counts for less than substance to many.....
Or else you can be mistaken for, as Shakespeare once wrote and General Chang quoted like no other Master Thespian could have done:
"..... an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Don't be that guy.
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The things I say are true though, that is why it is frustrating, the evidence has been there and is.
People who supported obama act so shocked by his actions, but it was so apparent even in 2008, all people had to do was READ.Onr could easily see the man is not someone who should be president as his entire life he has been opposed to what the US is. Now, watch people who continue to support him despite his failures.This is because don't want to admit they are wrong or are so brainwashed or hung up on certain identity issues(race, class etc) they can't see things objectively.No, I do not give up because I have watched people find the truth since 2008 and move away from him and the great source of evil known as the Democratic Party, I know for over 10 people, I managed to get them to look into things, and they changed their minds.Now, this is online forum so it's a bit more difficult.Definitely debate better in person and this being online forum, suppose I never take it as serious.
People on the fence annoy me as well, how, at this point, can you be on the fence? The crimes of this man are so apparent, so easy to see.I think of my mother(sadly) who just does not pay attention, she gets annoyed about obamacare etc as it affects business but she does not pay attention even as an educated person, she is more concerned with other things. I often see people on the fence as indecisive, wishy washy, unprincipled people who offer nothing to the process but yes, they are one's we must reach.
I can never agree with someone like mookie, everything is about race for him, or class, people like that are just not someone I can agree with.I worry about ALL citizens, regardless of what color they are or how much money because in the end, unless you fall in line with obama and his beliefs, you are the enemy and even then, as the press(his number 1 cheerleader) has found out, there is not loyalty for him, he does not care, he sees himself as above us all, much like an emperor no? That was the point of calling him an emperor, he acts like one, sees himself as one.