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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner
"Overcome their homosexuality"? Are you trolling me, or are you serious?
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I am being serious.
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By declaring homosexuality a sin, he absolutely condemned "the sinner".
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No - it isn't. You see, having homosexual desires may very well be a part of a person's nature. That does not mean they must partake in the ACTIONS. It is no different than a heterosexual man who lusts after a married woman - aka "his neighbor's wife". The desire may be natural - but it becomes a sin if the person does not put it away - because ultimately failing to do so may lead them to engage in action to fulfill that desire. This is a common attempt by those that want an action to be declared morally "ok" to try and do - equate the act with nature. Sorry, not going to fly.
Remember - this isn't about your standards - its about the religious standards that predate you by more than a millennia.... So trying to use your judgment to make something "ok" is whistling in the wind.
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How can homosexuality be a sin or even a "disease"?!
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Because their theology - whether you like it or not - says so.
Your problem is that you don't like the stand the theology takes, so your trying to castigate its position - even though it has said this for far longer than you have been alive.
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It is a part of nature, always has been.
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So has sin.
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Last time I checked, nature existed before someone wrote a funny book of fairy tales. Oh, yes, sure... God created earth and us...and everything...
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And in the end you simply denigrate the entire theology because you don't agree. Well, there you have your answer - you don't agree. Don't expect a logical debate when your position entails nothing other than "that religious idea is a stupid fairy tale". That isn't how debates work - not to mention that while religion can not prove itself true, you can not disprove it - therefore it remains an unknown - and your position of it being "a fairy tale" amounts to a belief, nothing more. Your beliefs are no more sacred or accurate to anyone else as theirs are to you.