i understand what you mean about the pinging and makes a lot of sense, but my question about surface detection still stands?...how are you supposed to know the exact moment when an enemy ship spots or detects you on the surface be that a merchant, dd, or whatever...in some ocassions merchants and destroyers have both fired against me while submerged (firing at periscope trail) or surfaced before/without ever hearing the message "we've been detected sir", "we've been spotted sir"...(IMHO this is how it's supposed to be).
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