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I am not worried about every indicidual calling himself/herself muslim. but by definition, there is only one kind of true muslim there can be, and this is one MUST NECESSARILY base on Muhammad, Medina-model,Quran, Sharia. this kind of person must lie to us if it is in the interest of Islam. It must be of a most intolerant, anti-intellectual mind, and it must be supportive for and obedient to a totalitarian and fascist order of politics, society, and religion. It must follow the Sharia and the quran without exception, in Islam you do not have the freedom to eclectically choose only the things oyu like and ignore the rest, it does ot work that way, this is no religion like christianity where you can reject the old testament and parts of the new and only pick the part on Jesuss and still would be a Christian. ISLAM IS NOT LIKE THAT. A person like above must be ALL of ISLAM without beeing able to reject any of these characteristics, else this true Muslim is not Muslim in a Muhammadian, Sharian, Quaranian, Medinesian understanding. And these four adjectives and no other describe what Muslim is.
If A man for whatever a reason violates all these four descpritions completely, than it is good for him and good us and good for all. He then is probably no problem. but one thing he is not, and cannot be, and will not be: Muslim. Islam has not that spectrum of interpretation to fall off these descpritions, and still be a Muslim.
So what you are essentially meaning when describing those many silent Muslims (why is it that not many of them have protested AGAINST the hostile reactions towards these cartoons, btw, but against the practice of western freedom of speech and uncensored medias??), are muslims that have great deficits in knowledge about the ideology they claim for themselves. This is nothing new for me. What certainly also is true with regard to Christians. But neither true nor faked Christians nowadays run around and burn embassies. They also do not silently tolerate it, if for their feeling their religion is abused to bring chaos and submission onto others - in the name of their religion.
Have you ever heared of the Spanish tradition of Schädel-Minarette, that would translate into "skull-minaretts" in English? This is the true and only Islam there is and that I speak of. During periods of the cordoba Caliphate and Islam in occupied Spain, they used the beheaded skulls of Christians to built and improve the minarettes of mosques they were buidling - by the hundreds and thousands. It was such a beloved tradition that christian skulls even were exported by the tens of thousands to North-West Africa , and the evil habit of skull-mosques spraid east to a degree that nowadays can no longer be reconstructed by archeologists. Somewhere between Marocco and Egypt it stopped to move further east, probably.
That reminds of the Nazis, that used body fats of murdered KZ-prisoners for industrial processes, and their hair as sealing compound in U-Boot-yards.
An ideology that since these times and earlier has not changed a bit, is a threat to us all.
You see diversity in Western Islam, where by definition of Islam does not allow diversity. If these people then really are apostates, like you indirectly must claim, then I am wondering why they are so invisible in helping to protest and fighting back true Islam and it's ugly faces.
You see diversity in Islam. I see silent tolerance for Islamic violence and effort to make the West submitting, accepüting more and more concessions to Sharia and Islam, and I see lacking effort to defend Western principles. Those Muslims that I was friend with during my life, were no Muslims, you see. I cannot be friend with a real muslim, like I cannot be friend with a Nazi or A KKK-member. My tolerance has limits. Two of them I even talked out of being under that evil spell, which caused them to stand up against their families - which is a very severe thing for them, the one was Turk, the other Armenian. Both converted to Chrstianity. They had lived long enough 8since their childhood) in the West to built the knowledge and the educated thinking to wake up from that nightmare they had been occupied by.
Like it or not, Abraham, but those Muslims you describe, maybe they are not Muslims, but still they have more in common with THEM, than with US. they are like the many Germans that maybe have not voted for Hitler - but also did not raise to fight against him when there still was time. there ignorrance was the basis that made hitler possible, because wothout their inactivity hitler would not have been able to raise. so, they may not have been active Nazis. But nevertheless they were part of the problem.
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