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Old 05-24-13, 03:19 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Tchocky View Post
That's a fair point but do you think the discriminatory and exclusionary step of refusing access to all gay people goes too far?
No further than the discriminatory and exclusionary step of refusing access to all women to the Boy Scouts goes too far. The BSA is not a co-ed organization. The reason that the co-ed division exists is because of sexuality. Homosexuality is sexuality. What's the difference?

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Also, how does allowing gay people in suddenly make it all about sex?
The same way it would if we made the Boy Scouts co-ed. You have brought sexual tension into a situation that did not openly contain it beforehand. You cannot deny it wouldn't have a major impact.

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Surely it's as focused on sex as the old rulebook was, ie rules about what orientations were and were not allowed. There's your first level of complexity right there.
Putting on our pants in the morning was the true first level of complexity we face. There have been a lot of layers of complexity since. I never claimed sexual segregation makes the Boy Scouts complexity free just less so.

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Also as far as changing social group dynamics, can it not be said that doing so in this case allows it to reflect more accurately the society we live in?
Whether that is a good thing or not depends I think upon the group. Do you think human sexual habits are something the Boy Scouts should be concerning itself with?

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Agreed entirely. It's not like lifting the ban on gay people will add the word "homosexual" to that list. Also I think it would serve to underline the "friendly, courteous, kind & reverent" part of the list

It's not as if gay people who want to be scout leaders are interested in anything other than what you mentioned. Blocking them out gives the idea that gay people can't be trusted not to make everything about sex.
So you really think it won't be that big of a deal? Well good luck getting the churches to agree with you and they are the ones who keep Scouting going. If this causes the BSA to fragment and die will this exercise in social engineering have been worth it? I find that difficult to accept.
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