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Old 02-15-06, 01:38 AM   #61
Abraham
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Default Re: The EU and Europe's cultural identity

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by Abraham
@ The Avon Lady:
A very graphic and shocking expression of the radical Muslim view on a basic human ('Western") freedom.
Why do you assume that this is a "radical" Muslim view? What do you base your minimilzation on?

Tell us what "moderate" Islamic teachings state about the same subject. :hmm:
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Originally Posted by Skybird
The statement on that demonstrator's sign is 100% representative for Islam's understanding of freedom on the basis of Sharia. There is no freedom imaginable outside the coverage of Sharia. A muslim opinion putting that in doubt and agreeing to concessions in this is in principle a heretic who alrready have lost faith (and deserves death penalty, according to Sharia and Quran). That is NO radical or fundametalist interpretation of Islam - it is heart and core of Islam "as is".
I still have to answer the Lady & Sky.

While agreeing that basic Western freedoms are considered means of suppression of Islam or diversion from Islam by mainstream Islam teachings I still consider that the demonstrators on the linked picture voice the "radical Muslim view" on a basic human ('Western") freedom.
Radical means without compromise and as such this word is in accordance with what Skybird wrote.
However, although the teachings of Islam may be radical, the followers are often not. To give immediate proof of this is that of the ca. 900.000 Dutch Muslims only about 300 (= 0.033%) attended a nationwide demonstration last Saturday against the Mohamed-cartoons at the Dam Square in Amsterdam.
Recently I have made some business trips to Northern Cyprus and spoken with some Turkish Muslims, some of them living in Holland. They warned me for the growth of funsamentalism in Turkey and were - for that reason against Turkeys potential EU membership. Their vision on radical or mainstream Islam is that they don't buy that Sharia-crap and prefer Western freedoms. Still they would say that they are Muslims.

Ergo:There are radical Muslims who are devoted to Islamic teachings and there are other Muslims who interpret these rules in their own way. While many Muslims may be (in my view: wrongly) offended by the Mohamed-cartoons, a smal but very vocal radical minority turned towards violence. I am convinced that most Muslims don't want to have anything to do with this kind of violence.

By the way: In a whole day in Northern Cyprus you see far fewer veils (no burka's) than in walking for 5 minutes in the centre of Amsterdam.
The reason should be clear to anybody with some basic sociologic knowledge (and supports my point of view).
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